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Reply 320 of 337, by PARKE

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Joakim wrote on 2022-01-08, 21:18:
Errius wrote on 2022-01-08, 16:34:

What's the difference between the version 2.2 and the version 2.0?

0.2

Something like that, yes.
According to MSI documentation the later versions were supposed to come with a 4-pin J3 jumperblock as opposed to the earlier 3-pin variant but I have not seen evidence for it in photos.

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Reply 321 of 337, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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PARKE wrote on 2022-01-09, 14:53:
Something like that, yes. According to MSI documentation the later versions were supposed to come with a 4-pin J3 jumperblock as […]
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Joakim wrote on 2022-01-08, 21:18:
Errius wrote on 2022-01-08, 16:34:

What's the difference between the version 2.2 and the version 2.0?

0.2

Something like that, yes.
According to MSI documentation the later versions were supposed to come with a 4-pin J3 jumperblock as opposed to the earlier 3-pin variant but I have not seen evidence for it in photos.
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Only pic I ever found with the 4-pin jumperblock was this one, and despite other sites saying they were introduced with v2.3 this one is v2.1 (tho that does tie in with the installation manual version with 4 pins) - hell, it's easier to find pics of the MS6905 v3 Twin and I'm not sure it was even released.

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Reply 322 of 337, by PARKE

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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2022-01-12, 09:11:

Only pic I ever found with the 4-pin jumperblock was this one, and despite other sites saying they were introduced with v2.3 this one is v2.1 (tho that does tie in with the installation manual version with 4 pins) - hell, it's easier to find pics of the MS6905 v3 Twin and I'm not sure it was even released.

Interesting, thanks.
It thus seems that MSI (re-)marketed the earlier v2 3-pin pcb with stickers that read: v2.2 and v.2.3.

Reply 323 of 337, by brostenen

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TrashPanda wrote on 2021-12-07, 16:02:

How about an asshole that produces new Voodoo5 6000 cards ?

Sorry for commenting on this older statement, but I just had to.....

Why is that person an asshole? I mean, like what? Hope you were joking.

Then what about all other hardware recreations or newly made systems? Like the GUS here on Vogons or other soundcards. Like these newly recreated Amiga and Commodore64 machines.

People normally use donor machines or cards, because half of the item might be dead, but if the main chips are still working, should they not get a new chance of operating again?

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
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Reply 324 of 337, by TrashPanda

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brostenen wrote on 2022-01-16, 08:13:
Sorry for commenting on this older statement, but I just had to..... […]
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TrashPanda wrote on 2021-12-07, 16:02:

How about an asshole that produces new Voodoo5 6000 cards ?

Sorry for commenting on this older statement, but I just had to.....

Why is that person an asshole? I mean, like what? Hope you were joking.

Then what about all other hardware recreations or newly made systems? Like the GUS here on Vogons or other soundcards. Like these newly recreated Amiga and Commodore64 machines.

People normally use donor machines or cards, because half of the item might be dead, but if the main chips are still working, should they not get a new chance of operating again?

Yes it was a joke, the guy is exceptionally talented, to take an old GPU and reverse engineer it and rebuild it using new components and modern methods is really quite amazing. Not many V5 6000s made it to market so to see it resurrected like this for modern systems makes me very happy.

If I could afford a new V5 6000 I would happily buy one from him, they are sadly even further out of my reach than the V5 5500s listed on eBay are 🙁

Reply 325 of 337, by feipoa

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There's newly made, fully assembled V5 6000's for sale? Where, what form factor, and what cost? Got pics? Thanks.

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Reply 326 of 337, by TrashPanda

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feipoa wrote on 2022-01-16, 08:40:

There's newly made, fully assembled V5 6000's for sale? Where, what form factor, and what cost? Got pics? Thanks.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/3dfx-voodoo … etter-than-ever

https://hothardware.com/news/3dfx-voodoo-5-60 … -pcb-remastered

https://hothardware.com/news/3dfx-voodoo-5-60 … husiast-vsa-100

IIRC they are not being mass produced and atm I dont know if he is selling them by invite or not but last a read that was how he was doing it and they are not cheap, they also have the same bugs the original V5 6000 has, including SLI issues.

I love the White PCB one, it looks like it might be PCI or PCIe via a bridge chip . .im not sure, but the white one is AGP, the black PCB with the golden copper heatsinks also looks amazing.

Reply 327 of 337, by feipoa

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Thanks! Cost is noted here, https://www.modlabs.net/forum/topic/60674/ "Sales will start soon. Estimated price tag - 1500$ US." That's way too rich for me.

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Reply 328 of 337, by TrashPanda

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feipoa wrote on 2022-01-16, 09:53:

Thanks! Cost is noted here, https://www.modlabs.net/forum/topic/60674/ "Sales will start soon. Estimated price tag - 1500$ US." That's way too rich for me.

Yup me too .. but I would love to have one all the same.

Reply 329 of 337, by brostenen

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-16, 08:20:
brostenen wrote on 2022-01-16, 08:13:
Sorry for commenting on this older statement, but I just had to..... […]
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TrashPanda wrote on 2021-12-07, 16:02:

How about an asshole that produces new Voodoo5 6000 cards ?

Sorry for commenting on this older statement, but I just had to.....

Why is that person an asshole? I mean, like what? Hope you were joking.

Then what about all other hardware recreations or newly made systems? Like the GUS here on Vogons or other soundcards. Like these newly recreated Amiga and Commodore64 machines.

People normally use donor machines or cards, because half of the item might be dead, but if the main chips are still working, should they not get a new chance of operating again?

Yes it was a joke, the guy is exceptionally talented, to take an old GPU and reverse engineer it and rebuild it using new components and modern methods is really quite amazing. Not many V5 6000s made it to market so to see it resurrected like this for modern systems makes me very happy.

If I could afford a new V5 6000 I would happily buy one from him, they are sadly even further out of my reach than the V5 5500s listed on eBay are 🙁

Yes, I have seen these cards and read the articles. Personally I am more into building Commodore replica's at this point in life. I will probably do an Amiga 500++ board at some time. Unless chip prices are gone through the roof. I had issues finding cheap NOS C64 chips for my last build.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 330 of 337, by Joakim

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brostenen wrote on 2022-01-16, 11:33:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-16, 08:20:
brostenen wrote on 2022-01-16, 08:13:
Sorry for commenting on this older statement, but I just had to..... […]
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Sorry for commenting on this older statement, but I just had to.....

Why is that person an asshole? I mean, like what? Hope you were joking.

Then what about all other hardware recreations or newly made systems? Like the GUS here on Vogons or other soundcards. Like these newly recreated Amiga and Commodore64 machines.

People normally use donor machines or cards, because half of the item might be dead, but if the main chips are still working, should they not get a new chance of operating again?

Yes it was a joke, the guy is exceptionally talented, to take an old GPU and reverse engineer it and rebuild it using new components and modern methods is really quite amazing. Not many V5 6000s made it to market so to see it resurrected like this for modern systems makes me very happy.

If I could afford a new V5 6000 I would happily buy one from him, they are sadly even further out of my reach than the V5 5500s listed on eBay are 🙁

Yes, I have seen these cards and read the articles. Personally I am more into building Commodore replica's at this point in life. I will probably do an Amiga 500++ board at some time. Unless chip prices are gone through the roof. I had issues finding cheap NOS C64 chips for my last build.

Oooo amiga..! Im still drewling over an Amiga 500,500+ or 600. but can't really motivate myself to get one. This project is interesting. 😀

Reply 331 of 337, by brostenen

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Joakim wrote on 2022-01-16, 17:23:
brostenen wrote on 2022-01-16, 11:33:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-16, 08:20:

Yes it was a joke, the guy is exceptionally talented, to take an old GPU and reverse engineer it and rebuild it using new components and modern methods is really quite amazing. Not many V5 6000s made it to market so to see it resurrected like this for modern systems makes me very happy.

If I could afford a new V5 6000 I would happily buy one from him, they are sadly even further out of my reach than the V5 5500s listed on eBay are 🙁

Yes, I have seen these cards and read the articles. Personally I am more into building Commodore replica's at this point in life. I will probably do an Amiga 500++ board at some time. Unless chip prices are gone through the roof. I had issues finding cheap NOS C64 chips for my last build.

Oooo amiga..! Im still drewling over an Amiga 500,500+ or 600. but can't really motivate myself to get one. This project is interesting. 😀

True.... Every modern recreation of past systems, as close to original are great. Like ATX64, SixtyClone, KU-Board, ReAmiga (1200 clone), A4000ATX and 2000ATX are nice stuff. No matter if you do one your self or follow a build progress on YouTube.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 332 of 337, by feipoa

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Here's an adapter I haven't seen in quite awhile, boxed Powerleap P3/SMP Server pair. They were one of the better dual slot1-to-Tualatin upgrade adapters. I owned this kit in 2001, however my system would hang up every few days. Turns out the issue was that one of the fans would stop spinning, but if I power cycled the system, the fan would spin up again. I contacted Powerleap about this and they told me that had quality control issues with the fans. So if you bought this adapter, keep this in mind.

I sold my kit in 2006 for $85 on eBay. This unit says it just sold for $500 USD. https://www.ebay.com/itm/393883619162

Was there much difference between the MSI MS-6905 and this Powerleap kit?

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Reply 333 of 337, by feipoa

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Evergreen Spectra 333 with a bulging cap sold for $151 USD. https://www.ebay.com/itm/144365424425

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Reply 334 of 337, by Errius

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feipoa wrote on 2022-01-19, 15:50:

Here's an adapter I haven't seen in quite awhile, boxed Powerleap P3/SMP Server pair. They were one of the better dual slot1-to-Tualatin upgrade adapters. I owned this kit in 2001, however my system would hang up every few days.

So this would be a PL-iP3/T with support for 133 MHz and SMP.

Take care with the caps on these Powerleap adaptors. Half of mine have burst caps.

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Reply 335 of 337, by TrashPanda

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feipoa wrote on 2022-01-19, 15:52:

Evergreen Spectra 333 with a bulging cap sold for $151 USD. https://www.ebay.com/itm/144365424425

Doesnt look like it would be hard to replace, for most retro enthusiasts this wouldnt be a reason to not buy it, its on the expensive side however.

Reply 336 of 337, by BitWrangler

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Those upgrade CPU held value for a decade or so after they ceased to be relevant, so although some maybe sold cheaper for a few years, I'm not so sure that's real crazy pricing. Okay, it's crazy pricing for anyone capable of putting together a better system, or modding a board to take better CPUs but not crazy pricing as far as what normies would/have paid for these things.

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Reply 337 of 337, by PARKE

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feipoa wrote on 2022-01-19, 15:50:

Here's an adapter I haven't seen in quite awhile, boxed Powerleap P3/SMP Server pair.
Was there much difference between the MSI MS-6905 and this Powerleap kit?

The main difference is that the MSI MS-6905 'family' does not support Tualatin cpu's out of the box.

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