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First post, by bakemono

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For newer motherboards that do not have backwards compatibility with IDE, is it possible to simply disable/omit serial-ATA devices and use a PCI add-on card with an IDE/PATA port instead? And then install Windows NT/2k/XP where serial-ATA support is not available?

I guess it comes down to whether PCI IDE cards can use the same I/O range, etc. as a motherboard/chipset implementation would, while also having a BIOS hook to begin the booting process?

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Reply 1 of 5, by cyclone3d

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Pretty much all add-in IDE and SATA cards are seen as SCSI devices by the BIOS.

So no need to really disable anything. Just set your BIOS to boot from SCSI / add-in card and you should be set.

I'm guessing you mean that the SATA controller on the motherboard and/or chipset doesn't have drivers available for NT/XP/2k ?

For Win9x, the best is the Promise Sata 1 - 150 controllers.

For XP/2k, you should be able to use most/all of the Promise SATA 2 cards.

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Reply 2 of 5, by BushLin

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I wonder why you ask this question because you can set SATA devices to be seen as IDE in many BIOS options, it may be listed as 'compatibility mode. Also, it's possible to install AHCI (SATA) drivers to add support for newer systems on XP/W2K/NT4, you can also use nLIte to slipstream the drivers into a W2K or XP install CD.

What board is it?

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Reply 3 of 5, by bakemono

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Pretty much all add-in IDE and SATA cards are seen as SCSI devices by the BIOS.

So no need to really disable anything. Just set your BIOS to boot from SCSI / add-in card and you should be set.

Yes but if I understand correctly, the SCSI card (whether it is really SCSI or another interface that merely appears as SCSI to the BIOS) would also need additional drivers supplied at install time, for the XP and earlier NT to install and run. Just like AHCI needs such drivers.

Although it's good that you mentioned this, because now that I think about it, the add-on card doesn't necessarily have to be PATA anyway. One could probably use an actual SCSI PCI card which has drivers already included with Windows. (Adaptec 2940?)

I wonder why you ask this question because you can set SATA devices to be seen as IDE in many BIOS options, it may be listed as 'compatibility mode. Also, it's possible to install AHCI (SATA) drivers to add support for newer systems on XP/W2K/NT4, you can also use nLIte to slipstream the drivers into a W2K or XP install CD.

What I am hearing is that new motherboards don't have the IDE compatibility option anymore, and drivers may not even be available for the latest chipsets. I don't have any motherboards like this, since mine are all old, but I'm wondering about socket AM4 boards.

Reply 4 of 5, by BushLin

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bakemono wrote:

What I am hearing is that new motherboards don't have the IDE compatibility option anymore, and drivers may not even be available for the latest chipsets. I don't have any motherboards like this, since mine are all old, but I'm wondering about socket AM4 boards.

If you don't have XP drivers for AHCI, you probably don't have USB drivers either. Z77 is the last Intel chipset with full support, don't know about AMD but apparently even Windows 7 can be a challenge on new systems.

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Reply 5 of 5, by dr_st

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Exactly. On such boards that do not have IDE compatibility mode for their SATA, and do not have proper SATA drivers for an older OS, it's best to simply not install that older OS.

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