Check your OpenGl library make sure you have the one for your GPU in the Quake2 directory and that its not using the basic windows one.

Welcome to the forum!😃
First thing that comes to mind is the graphics card. All avaliable drivers will run suboptimal on your CPU. I don't know wether frames should drop to ~1fps but slowdowns are to be expected. Do you have a different 3D card (up to ca. 2001-2002) to try this with?

Also I asked the mods to move this thread to the Marvin section of the forum which is for running old games on old hardware/OS. You'll usually get better answers there.👍

Any IRQ conflicts with the video card?

Doornkaat wrote on 2022-01-30, 19:56:

Welcome to the forum!😃
First thing that comes to mind is the graphics card. All avaliable drivers will run suboptimal on your CPU. I don't know wether frames should drop to ~1fps but slowdowns are to be expected. Do you have a different 3D card (up to ca. 2001-2002) to try this with?

Also I asked the mods to move this thread to the Marvin section of the forum which is for running old games on old hardware/OS. You'll usually get better answers there.👍

Thanks, are you suggesting that the AIW 9800 is too new? I have an ATI Rage Fury on the way. Do you think that might work better?

pinesal wrote on 2022-01-30, 20:20:

Doornkaat wrote on 2022-01-30, 19:56:

Welcome to the forum!😃
First thing that comes to mind is the graphics card. All avaliable drivers will run suboptimal on your CPU. I don't know wether frames should drop to ~1fps but slowdowns are to be expected. Do you have a different 3D card (up to ca. 2001-2002) to try this with?

Also I asked the mods to move this thread to the Marvin section of the forum which is for running old games on old hardware/OS. You'll usually get better answers there.👍

Thanks, are you suggesting that the AIW 9800 is too new? I have an ATI Rage Fury on the way. Do you think that might work better?

Super 7 has issues with AGP cards in general mostly due to being the first to use the AGP bus and really doesnt like AGP cards designed to run on a 4x/8x bus, the drivers for such cards are also not optimised for SS7 either, it might be best to source a GF2 era GPU for this build a AGP 1x or 2x card would be better suited.

A TnT2 M64/Ultra/Pro would work fine, same for a GeForce DDR or MX 200 series GPU, even a MX400 series should work any of the Radeons from the 2x AGP cards would work too.

Dont know if you have a Voodoo2/3 card but that would work as well.

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-30, 20:23:

pinesal wrote on 2022-01-30, 20:20:

Doornkaat wrote on 2022-01-30, 19:56:

Welcome to the forum!😃
First thing that comes to mind is the graphics card. All avaliable drivers will run suboptimal on your CPU. I don't know wether frames should drop to ~1fps but slowdowns are to be expected. Do you have a different 3D card (up to ca. 2001-2002) to try this with?

Also I asked the mods to move this thread to the Marvin section of the forum which is for running old games on old hardware/OS. You'll usually get better answers there.👍

Thanks, are you suggesting that the AIW 9800 is too new? I have an ATI Rage Fury on the way. Do you think that might work better?

Super 7 has issues AGP cards in general mostly due to being the first to use the AGP bus and really doesnt like AGP cards designed to run on a 4x/8x bus, the drivers for such cards are also not optimised for SS7 either, it might be best to source a GF2 era GPU for this build a 1x or 2x card would be better.

Yes indeed. I believe the Rage Fury (ATI AGP RAGE 128PRO 16MB SVGA MODEL 109-63100-10) is in the right timeframe to match up with the rest of the hardware. I should have it on Tuesday. I'll update this thread with my findings.

pinesal wrote on 2022-01-30, 20:28:

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-01-30, 20:23:

pinesal wrote on 2022-01-30, 20:20:

Thanks, are you suggesting that the AIW 9800 is too new? I have an ATI Rage Fury on the way. Do you think that might work better?

Super 7 has issues AGP cards in general mostly due to being the first to use the AGP bus and really doesnt like AGP cards designed to run on a 4x/8x bus, the drivers for such cards are also not optimised for SS7 either, it might be best to source a GF2 era GPU for this build a 1x or 2x card would be better.

Yes indeed. I believe the Rage Fury (ATI AGP RAGE 128PRO 16MB SVGA MODEL 109-63100-10) is in the right timeframe to match up with the rest of the hardware. I should have it on Tuesday. I'll update this thread with my findings.

Thats a nice little card, would be fun to see it running quake 2 😁

pinesal wrote on 2022-01-30, 20:20:

Thanks, are you suggesting that the AIW 9800 is too new? I have an ATI Rage Fury on the way. Do you think that might work better?

TrashPanda's answer is better than mine would be.😅 My experience is that Super7 often needs some amount of tweaking/experimenting (BIOS settings and driver combinations) to run well.
ATI Rage cards are probably a good match for Super7.👌 See if that runs better once you get it.

I just want to say that I am so happy and excited to have a retro PC. I am so lucky to, after years of searching for a decent priced machine, have managed to get one from the exact era I wanted (late 90s) and for FREE actually. I am new to this site. Can some one point me to the correct forum for general reminiscing, telling my story and geeking out over old computers?

Come join us over in the General Old Hardware area, plenty of us over there enjoying the nostalgia.

General Old Hardware

A few things to note:

- The issue with Quake 2 is definitely the Microsoft OpenGL Software ICD, which means that it tries to accelerate in software. You obviously don't want that. Either the drivers did not install properly or there's some other shenanigans going on. An easy way to find out is to try out another OpenGL game. I'd download the MDK2 Demo, the launcher for that has an info button that lets you know which OpenGL driver the game will attempt to use. Give it a go.

- What CPU do you own? There is no K6-2 525, there was K6-2 500 and K6-2 533. You either made a mistake on this thread or something isn't set up properly on your system.

- Your video card is indeed a mismatch in a sense. Intel introduced AGP in 1997 with the 440LX for Pentium II systems and the rest of the chipset manufacturers struggled for a few years to get it right. 1998 and 1999 are very rough, by 2000 and late socket 370 and socket A boards, things began to get a lot more stable. As such, for those earlier systems and chipsets, it is generally recommended that you use a PCI videocard or a 3Dfx card (because these did not use any AGP features, they only used the faster bus) if you wish a headache-free experience. If you go with other AGP cards you'll have to do some reading and testing to see what's stable, thankfully your FIC board was a popular choice so you can find threads here with various people figuring out what worked best. I like GeForce2 MX cards, I've had good experiences with them after setting up as many compatibility options as possible, since they also don't draw too much power.

- However, even if you get a more powerful card, it might not be beneficial. I assume you have a K6-2 500, that CPU is roughly on par with a Pentium II 266 or 300. Unless you want higher resolutions, anything faster than a Voodoo2 is going to waste here. This would not be an issue in and of itself, however newer cards came with later, more complex drivers that were designed for newer systems, so they actually end up performing worse than older hardware! Besides performance tweaks for older CPUs and systems, later drivers also tend to break compatibility with older features and games. Your mileage may vary.
I'm not sure if the Rage Fury you ordered is a full Rage 128 Pro (the 16MB VRAM has me thinking it's on a 64bit bus as opposed to 128bit), but either way it should be a better match for your system. Be sure to ask or find out which drivers seem to work the best for the era and also your MVP3 chipset!

In my memory I was using these spec in year 2000:
AMD K6-2 400mhz
128MB RAM
nVidia TNT2 M64
10GB HDD
...to run Star Trek Voyager Elite Force, which is Quake3 -based.
I think it performed well because I beat the game.

Garrett W wrote on 2022-01-31, 11:44:

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A few things to note:

- The issue with Quake 2 is definitely the Microsoft OpenGL Software ICD, which means that it tries to accelerate in software. You obviously don't want that. Either the drivers did not install properly or there's some other shenanigans going on. An easy way to find out is to try out another OpenGL game. I'd download the MDK2 Demo, the launcher for that has an info button that lets you know which OpenGL driver the game will attempt to use. Give it a go.

- What CPU do you own? There is no K6-2 525, there was K6-2 500 and K6-2 533. You either made a mistake on this thread or something isn't set up properly on your system.

- Your video card is indeed a mismatch in a sense. Intel introduced AGP in 1997 with the 440LX for Pentium II systems and the rest of the chipset manufacturers struggled for a few years to get it right. 1998 and 1999 are very rough, by 2000 and late socket 370 and socket A boards, things began to get a lot more stable. As such, for those earlier systems and chipsets, it is generally recommended that you use a PCI videocard or a 3Dfx card (because these did not use any AGP features, they only used the faster bus) if you wish a headache-free experience. If you go with other AGP cards you'll have to do some reading and testing to see what's stable, thankfully your FIC board was a popular choice so you can find threads here with various people figuring out what worked best. I like GeForce2 MX cards, I've had good experiences with them after setting up as many compatibility options as possible, since they also don't draw too much power.

- However, even if you get a more powerful card, it might not be beneficial. I assume you have a K6-2 500, that CPU is roughly on par with a Pentium II 266 or 300. Unless you want higher resolutions, anything faster than a Voodoo2 is going to waste here. This would not be an issue in and of itself, however newer cards came with later, more complex drivers that were designed for newer systems, so they actually end up performing worse than older hardware! Besides performance tweaks for older CPUs and systems, later drivers also tend to break compatibility with older features and games. Your mileage may vary.
I'm not sure if the Rage Fury you ordered is a full Rage 128 Pro (the 16MB VRAM has me thinking it's on a 64bit bus as opposed to 128bit), but either way it should be a better match for your system. Be sure to ask or find out which drivers seem to work the best for the era and also your MVP3 chipset!

I'll come back with pictures from the POST screen and CPUZ next time I am at the computer. I do remember the CPU was set with a 5.5 multiplier. So maybe it's being overclocked.
I'll do as you suggest and get the MDK2 demo and see what I can learn.