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First post, by w0lf42

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So, I'm having issues running Glide. I put the game specific issues in the Games / Issues section. I'm running my two Voodoo2 cards in SLI. Any thoughts? THX.

Games / Issues

  • FreeSpace 2 - Runs super laggy
  • GL Quake - Get audio but screen is completely black
  • Diablo 2 - Can only run in window. Full-screen is black

Operating System

  • Windows 98SE (4.10, Build 2222)

DirectX

  • DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

3dfx Driver(s)

nVidia Driver

Hardware

  • DFI CA64 REV.A1 SOCKET 370 VIA Apollo Pro133A
  • PENTIUM 3 1GHz CPU
  • 512MB PC133 133MHz 168Pin SDRAM Memory Ram Desktop DIMM NON-ECC NON-REG
  • 2 x Creative Labs SLI 3DFX Voodoo 2 Package 12MB
  • NVIDIA Quadro2 Pro (GeForce2 Ultra) 64MB DDR AGP 4x
Last edited by w0lf42 on 2019-01-26, 17:54. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 10, by oohms

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Not glide related, but newer directx and nvidia drivers can cause issues. Try DX 7 and nvidia 30.82 or lower

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Reply 2 of 10, by meljor

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When there are problems, always start with using 1 card first so take out one voodoo2 card and try again. When that works test both cards separately before trying sli.

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Reply 3 of 10, by Davros

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Are you running freespace 2 or freespace 2 open (open will be slow if it runs at all)

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Reply 4 of 10, by Retromangia

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It's Direct X for sure. DX9 is too current for Windows 98. You want to download and install Direct X 7.0a. I use that on my Win98 build and everything runs like butta 😊

Reply 5 of 10, by buckeye

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Retromangia wrote:

It's Direct X for sure. DX9 is too current for Windows 98. You want to download and install Direct X 7.0a. I use that on my Win98 build and everything runs like butta 😊

Same here. Switched from 9 to 7.0a and most games ran without a hitch.

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Reply 6 of 10, by w0lf42

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Okay. I switched to DirectX 7.0a. I think I may have another issue. I recently changed my audio drivers from VXD to WDM. I've heard that WDM on Windows 98 can provide a degraded performance. But, I'm unable to remove them. All attempts result in either (1) my system hard locking or (2) it rebooting during removal without any change.

I've tried

  • installing the previous drivers
  • uninstalling the WDM drivers
  • removing the sound card in Device Manager
  • physically removing the card

Uninstalling results in this message:

The log file 'C:\Program Files\Creative\SBLive\SBLive.isu' is not valid or the data has been corrupted.  Uninstallation will not continue.

Reply 7 of 10, by leileilol

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All I know that works against the fabled V2 SLI setup would be games that read+write to the pixel buffer per frame. SLI must be disabled for those.

GL games can't really do that so those should be fine.

Downgrading your Nvidia driver would probably help too (61.76 or lower for a Geforce2 on W9X, anything after that point is regression city)

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Reply 8 of 10, by oohms

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It would be a good idea to reinstall windows 98 on that PC.. maybe onto another hard drive as a test install first to get the right drivers set up first. nvidia drivers after 45.23 have issues in windows 98, but for geforce 2 era cards, 30.82 is the sweet spot. Also directx 7

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Reply 9 of 10, by pyrogx

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Your mainboard chipset in combination with SBLive also might cause problems. See here: VIA + Voodoo2

Reply 10 of 10, by w0lf42

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Thanks for the advice. I spent quite a bit of time troubleshooting and I believe that it came down to my WDM audio drivers. I had to reinstall Windows in order to switch back to VXD. I have not reinstalled GL Quake, but FreeSpace 2 and Diablo 2 are running fine. I had intended to run DirectX 7, but one of the updates I installed put me at 9. As far as my nvidia drivers, I'm running 71.84.