you just have to buy the right cable and you will get no degradation.
I equipped all my voodoos with passive heatsinks.
if you are using a tft that can run up to 75hz I recommend 60hz for 2D and 75hz for the voodoo.
on my L367 these settings provide a nearly exact picture if you switch to 3D.

re-installing Win95 can be done in 1 minute. try "fat32cp" or "retter".

dr.zeissler wrote on 2021-06-23, 19:57:

re-installing Win95 can be done in 1 minute. try "fat32cp" or "retter".

May I ask what those are? I looked them up and I can't find much online.

I did the Win95 install on another drive and the performance is only slightly better. 36fps instead of 35 without overclocking. I think I want to re-install Windows on the main drive anyways because I don't like how cluttered the Windows install is now.

I wonder what black magic I'm missing if it apparently is supposed to run a bit better than this, though to look at the bright side it is still a lot better than software rendering at those resolutions and also way better than the S3 Virge. Also, what benefit is there between using the Novermber 1998 and latest May 1999 reference drivers? I tested both on this different drive and GLQuake runs exactly the same on both, but I much prefer the older 3Dfx logo of the slightly older driver.

I always setup multiboot-machines. For win95 i use

xfdisk
2GB Primary OS/2
2GB Primary Dos/Win3x
2GB Primary Win95b
xGB Logical Data (D:)

I install win5b without drivers and make a compressed copy via fat32cp or retter.
So I get one compressed file on the logical volume (D:). After I have installed all drivers
a make an additional backup via fat32cp or retter.

If something goes wrong I can make a clean reinstall after 1-2 minutes. That's very handy.

dr.zeissler wrote on 2021-06-23, 19:53:

you just have to buy the right cable and you will get no degradation. I equipped all my voodoos with passive heatsinks. if you a […]
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you just have to buy the right cable and you will get no degradation.
I equipped all my voodoos with passive heatsinks.
if you are using a tft that can run up to 75hz I recommend 60hz for 2D and 75hz for the voodoo.
on my L367 these settings provide a nearly exact picture if you switch to 3D.

The switching circuit on the voodoo itself can also be bandwidth limited, and isn't impedance controlled either

thepirategamerboy12 wrote on 2021-06-23, 20:25:

I wonder what black magic I'm missing if it apparently is supposed to run a bit better than this, though to look at the bright side it is still a lot better than software rendering at those resolutions and also way better than the S3 Virge. Also, what benefit is there between using the Novermber 1998 and latest May 1999 reference drivers? I tested both on this different drive and GLQuake runs exactly the same on both, but I much prefer the older 3Dfx logo of the slightly older driver.

One poster asked about your rest of your hardware components including motherboard, size of ram etc is not answered. Please answer this.

Cheers,

pentiumspeed wrote on 2021-06-23, 22:58:

thepirategamerboy12 wrote on 2021-06-23, 20:25:

I wonder what black magic I'm missing if it apparently is supposed to run a bit better than this, though to look at the bright side it is still a lot better than software rendering at those resolutions and also way better than the S3 Virge. Also, what benefit is there between using the Novermber 1998 and latest May 1999 reference drivers? I tested both on this different drive and GLQuake runs exactly the same on both, but I much prefer the older 3Dfx logo of the slightly older driver.

One poster asked about your rest of your hardware components including motherboard, size of ram etc is not answered. Please answer this.

Cheers,

I did, actually.

thepirategamerboy12 wrote on 2021-06-23, 16:47:

I have 64mb of 72-pin SIMMs running at 60ns, and my motherboard has an Intel 430TX chipset with 512k of L2 cache.

It turns out that having the console window in the way while doing the GLQuake 512x384 timemakes a difference in the result... With the console window in the way, I get 35-36 fps. With the console window minimized I get about 42 fps, much closer to what I'm aiming for.

Perhaps if you could take photos of your BIOS settings we could all take a look at them and see if something's off. I have a few of things that might be causing you the lower than expected performance:

a) If V-Sync is engaged, disable it and see if you get the same results

b) Joseph has not mentioned it, but perhaps he ran the benchmarks with the sound off?

c) Which version of GLQuake are you running? Is it the original 0.97 release or one of the later, unofficial ones?

d) Which timedemo are you actually running? Perhaps this could be the case of running different timedemos between the two of you 😜.

e) Are you 100% certain that you are actually replacing "opengl32.dll" in the Quake folder with the one provided by 3Dfx's MiniGL?

f) What's the score you're getting on both timedemos at 640x480?

If I may suggest something, instead of Voodoo benchmarks, try running the patched version of Quake (1.08) which you can also find on Phil's Computer Lab. Then, we can see if your system is being held back with one less variable in there (the Voodoo card). If we notice something off, then we can start pointing fingers more easily and track down the problem.

I'll take some BIOS setting photos in a bit. I'll answer what I can now:

I run the benchmark with the sound on and the default screensize with two status bars, the GLQuake version is 0.97 straight of the CD of my copy, I run timedemo demo 1, and yes I overwrote the opengl32.dll file in the game folder with MiniGL 1.49. It seems to run exactly the same with the stock opengl32.dll it comes with and the newer one.

I'll have to run the Quake DOS benchmarks in Phils's DOS Benchmark pack and run the GLQuake timedemo in 640x480 soon.

430TX can only cache up to 64MB memory total. Might want to shrink to 32MB or 48MB and try?

Cheers,

GLQuake in 640x480 gives me 28.8. Remember as well that I'm not overclocking the card anymore. For DOS Quake (via Phil's DOS Bechmark Pack, no sound, conventional memory only, etc.) I get 52 fps in 320x200 and 16.5 in 640x480. Here's pictures of the BIOS settings I thought might be relevant:

Garrett W wrote on 2021-06-23, 23:33:

b) Joseph has not mentioned it, but perhaps he ran the benchmarks with the sound off?

I always run benchmarks with the sound on, in order to get a realistic performance assessment which would be relevant when I'm actually playing the game. Maximized window size, with default Quake settings and the disc out of the tray (CD audio slows down benchmarks).

d) Which timedemo are you actually running? Perhaps this could be the case of running different timedemos between the two of you 😜.

I'm using "timedemo demo1" which is the norm for all (GL) Quake benchmarks IIRC.

thepirategamerboy12 wrote on 2021-06-24, 01:32:

Here's pictures of the BIOS settings I thought might be relevant:

These look pretty much the same as mine.

The only difference is that I disabled every single thing under Power Management, but I doubt that would have an impact on performance.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2021-06-24, 05:13:

thepirategamerboy12 wrote on 2021-06-24, 01:32:

Here's pictures of the BIOS settings I thought might be relevant:

These look pretty much the same as mine.

The only difference is that I disabled every single thing under Power Management, but I doubt that would have an impact on performance.

Hmm, I guess I'll do that next. I doubt it'll do anything, but it's worth a try.

I was also thinking that maybe a BIOS update would help. I patched it using a tool from ROM.by to support large hard drives, but other than that it's from I think mid 1997 and perhaps there would have been one from 1998 or something, but I can not find a single official one for this motherboard anywhere on the internet.

The only other thing that comes to mind is, did you install the correct chipset drivers for your motherboard?

I was fortunate to find the latest official BIOS update for my Soyo SY-5BT and this driver CD here on Vogons. For the record, my BIOS is from April of 1999.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2021-06-24, 14:51:

The only other thing that comes to mind is, did you install the correct chipset drivers for your motherboard?

I was fortunate to find the latest official BIOS update for my Soyo SY-5BT and this driver CD here on Vogons. For the record, my BIOS is from April of 1999.

This is what I used:
http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?file … 632&menustate=0