Skyscraper wrote:

4.08 GHz is a very nice overclock, thats probably what led me to the wrong conclusion. 😀

Thanks, it's on air cooling with a SI-120 heatsink. I think it helps that it's a G1 stepping CPU, which was the last one released. I've had it on 250fsb as well (4.25ghz), but I need to give it so much voltage it's not worth it. The prescotts also hit diminishing returns on performance when going that high.

Just need to find some better RAM for overclocking. I got a OCZ PC 3200 EL Platinum Rev 2 kit which is rated DDR 400 at CL2-2-2-5. According to reviews it overclocks very well, but not my sticks. It goes to 220FSB at 2-2-2-5 and then I barely get 230 at 3-3-3-8! Even my cheap 2x1gb CL3 OEM kit from Ebay overclocks better!

rick6 wrote:

Not an awesome performer by any means when compared with some machines here and considering the beefy agp video card (the best ever?), so probably it's the socket 754 NewCastle CPU or most likely the Asus motherboard with a SIS chipset that is holding it back.
I get 64,8 fps at 1280x1024.

I benched my overclocked P4 system, and I got the same amount of frames. Something is up with HD3850 AGP and Doom 3. I suspect driver issues.

An entry for the "less strict" category because the CPU is from 2005.

99.1 FPS, PhilsComputerlab, Athlon 64 San Diego 4000+, Asus A8V REV 2.00, VIA K8T800 Pro, 2x CMX1024-3200C2PT DDR400 CL3-3-3-8 1T, ATI Radeon X850 XT, Catalyst 6.12, PCI X-Fi XtremeGamer, XP SP3, Doom 3 1.0.1262

Photo of test bench setup:

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Skyscraper wrote:

Very nice! 😀

A socket Socket-754 3700+ 2.4 Ghz 0.13um is about as fast as a Socket-939 3700+ 2.2 GHz 0.09um. 😀

Just did a run on an Asus AV8 board with 4000+ (San Diego core) and it's not much faster.

Simulating a 6800 Ultra (I over-clocked the 6800 GT) helped much more, and the machine achieves 106.2 FPS with Doom 3 1.0.1262.

Are simulated graphics cards allowed (6800 Ultra cards are hard to find). Got to get myself one of the 2004 FX chips 😁

Are driver tweaks allowed? All my results so far are at defaults, but setting them to performance could yield a few extra fsp 🤣

No driver tweaks allowed but simulating a Geforce 6800 Ultra by overclocking a GT to Ultra spec and calling it an Ultra is 100% OK. There are no other differences between a GT and the Ultra other than the clocks.

The San Diego 4000+ and FX55 but not FX57 goes as period correct as there also is a s939 Clawhammer 4000+ 2.4 Ghz and a Clawhammer FX55 2.6GHz, both from 2004. The San Diego and Clawhammer performance is near identical, I have benched both of both.

You will top the list until I rebench one of my FX55s with Doom 1.0x

Im too tierd to write it seems.

Cool!

That's awesome 😁

I will be back with some more results...

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

Cool!

That's awesome 😁

I will be back with some more results...

Can I asume your Geforce 6800 Ultra entry is the exact same spec as the system above only with a Geforce 6800 Ultra in place of the X850 XT ?

I asume you soon will produce a X850 XT PE result so I will wait with adding that one to the list. (My such entry is simulated with a X850 XT)

Yes it was, but I'll run it again 😀

Doom 3 runs better on Nvidia cards. Great idea: Adjusting the clocks to go X850 XT > X850 XT PE. I still think that NV will come out on top...

Ok here it is:

105.4 FPS, PhilsComputerlab, Athlon 64 San Diego 4000+, Asus A8V REV 2.00, VIA K8T800 Pro, 2x CMX1024-3200C2PT DDR400 CL3-3-3-8 1T, 6800 Ultra (simulated with 6800 GT), ForceWare 93.71, PCI X-Fi XtremeGamer, XP SP3, Doom 3 1.0.1262

vetz wrote:

Skyscraper wrote:

4.08 GHz is a very nice overclock, thats probably what led me to the wrong conclusion. 😀

Thanks, it's on air cooling with a SI-120 heatsink. I think it helps that it's a G1 stepping CPU, which was the last one released. I've had it on 250fsb as well (4.25ghz), but I need to give it so much voltage it's not worth it. The prescotts also hit diminishing returns on performance when going that high.

Just need to find some better RAM for overclocking. I got a OCZ PC 3200 EL Platinum Rev 2 kit which is rated DDR 400 at CL2-2-2-5. According to reviews it overclocks very well, but not my sticks. It goes to 220FSB at 2-2-2-5 and then I barely get 230 at 3-3-3-8! Even my cheap 2x1gb CL3 OEM kit from Ebay overclocks better!

For performance with Intel systems at stock memory that can do 400 MHz CL2-2-2-5 is key. With overclocked Intel systems you are better off with memory that can do high frequency at CL2.5 or even CL3 and keeping the memory 1:1.

Best is of course memory that can do CL2-2-2-5 at high frequency but this is only possible with Winbond BH-5 @3.5+ volt, its easy to burn both motherboard and memory.

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Yes it was, but I'll run it again 😀

Doom 3 runs better on Nvidia cards. Great idea: Adjusting the clocks to go X850 XT > X850 XT PE. I still think that NV will come out on top...

Ok here it is:

105.4 FPS, PhilsComputerlab, Athlon 64 San Diego 4000+, Asus A8V REV 2.00, VIA K8T800 Pro, 2x CMX1024-3200C2PT DDR400 CL3-3-3-8 1T, 6800 Ultra (simulated with 6800 GT), ForceWare 93.71, PCI X-Fi XtremeGamer, XP SP3, Doom 3 1.0.1262

Yey 0.6 FPS slower than my dual Opteron system and 0.2 FPS slower than the Gallatin 3.4EE, both these systems were also benchmarked with Doom 3 1.0x.

Run the bench again a few times with reboots in-between and you find the 0.7 FPS needed.

Also its great that you post the full detailed spec, I will still butcher it a bit for the list but its good to have it all here.

And another entry, this one for the "less strict" category.

A $999 launch CPU: The Athlon 64 FX-60. Dual core, 2.6 GHz and 2x 1 MB Cache 😀

130.5 FPS, PhilsComputerlab, Athlon 64 FX-60 Toledo, Asus A8V REV 2.00, VIA K8T800 Pro, 2x CMX1024-3200C2PT DDR400 CL3-3-3-8 1T, HIS X1950 PRO IceQ 3 Turbo 512MB AGP (Rev.2), Catalyst 6.12, PCI X-Fi XtremeGamer, XP SP3, Doom 3 1.0.1262

Skyscraper wrote:

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For performance with Intel systems at stock memory that can do 400 MHz CL2-2-2-5 is key. With overclocked Intel systems you are better off with memory that can do high frequency at CL2.5 or even CL3 and keeping the memory 1:1.

Best is of course memory that can do CL2-2-2-5 at high frequency but this is only possible with Winbond BH-5 @3.5+ volt, its easy to burn both motherboard and memory.

I have some Crucial Ballistix sticks incoming, so will test how they go. I can only go to 2.85v on my motherboard, above that requires voltmod. According to reviews, getting DDR500 memory which can do CL2.5 at 2.65-2.75v is not uncommon.

I have some Corsair 2-3-3-5 memory, but it requires 2.75V and many motherboards I have do not have voltage options.

vetz wrote:

Skyscraper wrote:

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For performance with Intel systems at stock memory that can do 400 MHz CL2-2-2-5 is key. With overclocked Intel systems you are better off with memory that can do high frequency at CL2.5 or even CL3 and keeping the memory 1:1.

Best is of course memory that can do CL2-2-2-5 at high frequency but this is only possible with Winbond BH-5 @3.5+ volt, its easy to burn both motherboard and memory.

I have some Crucial Ballistix sticks incoming, so will test how they go. I can only go to 2.85v on my motherboard, above that requires voltmod. According to reviews, getting DDR500 memory which can do CL2.5 at 2.65-2.75v is not uncommon.

Other modules worth picking up is a good Samsung TCCD 2x512MB kit, A good kit can do CL2-2-2-5 @400, CL2.5,3.3,6 @500 MHz and often CL2.5,4,4,8 @550+ Mhz at 2.6V - 2.7V. Some kits will even do 600 MHz CL2.5,4,4,12.

Im going to bed and I will be away until Sunday, I will update the list again when Im back.

Phils two entries are updated.

Its only 5 hours until i need to be up, how did this happen? 😀

Skyscraper wrote:

Other modules worth picking up is a good Samsung TCCD 2x512MB kit, A good kit can do CL2-2-2-5 @400, CL2.5,3.3,6 @500 MHz and often CL2.5,4,4,8 at 550+ Mhz at 2.6V - 2.7V. Some kits will even do 600 MHz CL2.5,4,4,12.

The OCZ's are Samsung TCCD sticks OCZ PC3200 EL Platinum Rev2 OCZ4001024ELCDPER2-K, but I must've been very unlucky as reviews overclock them much much higher:
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/ram/1010-memory … 9-amd64/?page=6
http://www.anandtech.com/show/1415/12

vetz wrote:

rick6 wrote:

Not an awesome performer by any means when compared with some machines here and considering the beefy agp video card (the best ever?), so probably it's the socket 754 NewCastle CPU or most likely the Asus motherboard with a SIS chipset that is holding it back.
I get 64,8 fps at 1280x1024.

I benched my overclocked P4 system, and I got the same amount of frames. Something is up with HD3850 AGP and Doom 3. I suspect driver issues.

I ran this on my current system in XP, which is a I5-750@4017 and R9-270@1085-1450 and only got low fps. I found that afterburner wasn't running the video card
at it's overclocked settings, in fact it was running at 2d settings of 300-150, so I removed afterburner and enabled powerplay, but GPUz was telling me that
although it was running at the overclocked speeds, my video card was running at 20% Load and I got 258fps which is lower than this configuration should get.
I am thinking it has something to do with Opengl.

While benchmarking recently, I ran into a few issues:

- On one system the Windows start-up sound was cut off. Some issue with the sound card and it got me low FPS. Put it into another slot and all was good
- F.E.A.R. benchmark can give inconsistent / lower results with wireless keyboards. Found this out quite late, so a lot of my results will need throwing out 🙁
- P4 chips can easily throttle. There is nothing that tells you this, just that performance can be faster straight after turning on. Get a really good cooler and use decent thermal paste.

These 2 probably belong in the "Anything goes" category. In fact I don't see any others quite like this in the list at all. First is a Nvidia Quadro Fx3450 then a Quadro Fx3500 running
on my I5 750@4017 mhz. Everything is overclocked.

114.4 FPS, Imperious, Intel I5-750 4017mhz, Asus P7P55D-E Pro, 12Gig DDR3@1912 CL9-11-10-28,Quadro FX3450@450-1053 81.98, Onboard audio, XP Home SP3.
175.2 FPS, Imperious, Intel I5-750 4017mhz, Asus P7P55D-E Pro, 12Gig DDR3@1912 CL9-11-10-28,Quadro FX3500@502-1404 162.65, Onboard audio, XP Home SP3.

Very nice overclock and scores!

Don't know why so low on simulated 7800 GTX 512MB.
OC'ing GPU to 700MHz (over 7900 GTX level) gives absolutly nothing in FPS (i checked in 3DMark - OC is active).
Game v1.31

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vetz wrote:

rick6 wrote:

Not an awesome performer by any means when compared with some machines here and considering the beefy agp video card (the best ever?), so probably it's the socket 754 NewCastle CPU or most likely the Asus motherboard with a SIS chipset that is holding it back.
I get 64,8 fps at 1280x1024.

I benched my overclocked P4 system, and I got the same amount of frames. Something is up with HD3850 AGP and Doom 3. I suspect driver issues.

I ran this on my current system in XP, which is a I5-750@4017 and R9-270@1085-1450 and only got low fps. I found that afterburner wasn't running the video card
at it's overclocked settings, in fact it was running at 2d settings of 300-150, so I removed afterburner and enabled powerplay, but GPUz was telling me that
although it was running at the overclocked speeds, my video card was running at 20% Load and I got 258fps which is lower than this configuration should get.
I am thinking it has something to do with Opengl.

I knew it, i also got a i5 750 at 3.8Ghz with a AMD 7870 which is more or less the same as your R9-270 and also got really "low" fps, and i knew right there that that coudn't be all that my machine had to give in terms of raw performance, so maybe something is wrong with AMD drivers!
Hell, vetz was able to get 91 fps with a Pentium 4 and a geforce 6800Ultra, and i only got 65 fps with my HD 3850 ? 😁
That can't be right!