Reply 40 of 153, by dexvx
Also to consider... wasn't NVidia's 3d image quality subpar until the FX series?
Also to consider... wasn't NVidia's 3d image quality subpar until the FX series?
wrote:I currently use a GF6200-AGP passive 64Bit in my P4/1,6 Ghz (38TDP!). It is a very good card, even for 64Bit. I can run the early Radeon8500 up to 9700 radeon demos, and the matrox-reef-demo (3d-analyze). The GF4 demos do not run good, don't know why, the (older)Games I tested so far are very good in terms of visual quality and performance. I am currently thinking about testing an other card, but which DX9/win98/agp4x 1,5volt card is silent and only uses a single slot? (and is better then my gf6200)
I have a Radeon 9600 Pro that is single slot, passively cooled and should be somewhat faster than a 6200 - really quite happy with it. I would love a Geforce 6600 but the only passive ones I've ever found are PCI Express.
There are lot's of different ATI 9xxx models available.
- What model do you use?
- Does it Support dos-vesa mode 2x or 3x like GF6200? (used for Win3x256color Driver and Deluxepaint)
interesting competition: http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=75&card2=198
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I've seen several people talk about Ti4600 cards failing due to overheating over the years. Has anybody actually ever experienced this happening? I've got several of them in use in several different PCs. After adding RAMsinks and aftermarket coolers, they seem to run just as cool as any Ti4200 I've ever used. Of course, the only testing I ever did was the ol' "touch it and see if it burns my finger" benchmark.
These are the coolers I like to use on them:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-DC-12Volt-2pin-80 … n-/281523857651
Cheap and highly effective.
The only NVIDIA cards that have ever failed on me were a GF3 Ti500 and an FX 5900 Ultra. Both developed the same problem: artifacting and video glitches due to bad RAM.
I seen a few OEM system with ti4200 that failed do to overheating, well the fans did die on them.
Oh man, that's a pity!
I am nearly satisfied with the gf6200 but the image-quality in low-res dos-gaming with dvi is REALLY bad, on VGA it's REALLY good.
So I put another 6200 in it and guess what...BAD image with DVI. I put a GF3-ti200 in it, and DVI is also bad! NV are you nuts?
I put a x800 all-in-wonder in that same machine, beside that it has serveral new issues in dosgaming that the nv-cards did not
have it has a excellent DVI lowres output, seems to be reference like matrox mga-series with the better dac.
I cannot use the x800 through different reasons, but I want a sharp dvi-output in lowres. so I ordered an 9600pro.
I will report the output quality perhaps next week when it arrives.
NV you did a BAD job on DVI!
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Maybe the DVI will look better if you can disable scaling; blocking the display's EDID might do something(?). Mind, without GPU scaling the display needs to actually be able to support input in the other display modes.
in DOS?
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That's right. Some or most others didn't do this, but NVIDIA's DVI output is in your display's native resolution and refresh rate in DOS.
The "fix" could be as simple as disconnecting some pins in the DVI cable.
currently r9000pro in that same machine. DVI output is excellent, performance is remarkable slower then the gf6200.
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wrote:That's right. Some or most others didn't do this, but NVIDIA's DVI output is in your display's native resolution and refresh rate in DOS.
it's very blurry an DVI with 6200 so for me the better option is to use VGA instead, even if I had to use the additional wiring for the voodoo and not a centered image between textmode in dos and 320x200.
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wrote:other brands may exist, Galaxy maybe?
Galaxy GeForce 7900GS AGP does exist and compatible with AGP 3.3v motherboards.
I must be some kind of standard: the anonymous gangbanger of the 21st century.
is it possible that a DVI only GF6200 has a sharper lowres (320x200) picture quality or is all the same due to a bad implementation by Nvidia?
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https://rhymeswithtoaster.com/2013/12/22/how- … r-installation/
can't see that this helps for the DVI dos output in lowres gfx (320x200 and textmode 720x400).
Retro-Gamer 😀 ...on different machines
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wrote:I've seen several people talk about Ti4600 cards failing due to overheating over the years. Has anybody actually ever experienced this happening?
If the cooling stays intact, then I don't know if any of the cards in this family run particularly hot. It's hard to tell since they don't have sensors. I think the biggest problem these cards have is mechanical failure of the cooling. I don't think they generally overheat when everything is working correctly.
I've had 3 Ti4200 cards, 1 of which was DOA and the other 2 had cooling failures.
I don't know what happened to the DOA card, but it's fan was still good. It will run up until you install AGP drivers, and then it black screens. If you can manage to prevent AGP drivers from being installed, the card will run like a PCI card just fine. It's even stable in 3D stress testing as long as you manage to keep it from going into AGP mode. Performance is greatly crippled that way though.
Probably the weirdest failure I've seen on a graphics card.
Card #2 had the fan start to go bad. It was replaced before damage was done, but it would have surely led to a dead GPU if not noticed.
Card #3 was NOS. It was used in a relative's PC for 1-2yrs. One of the cheap plastic fork shaped heatsink pegs came loose and the card was found dead.
I also have the Quadro version of a Ti4600. That card still has plastic heatsink pegs but they're a better type that are conical, so I think they're a lot less likely to ever pop out. No idea if the fan is higher quality or not.
wrote:Didn't Phil's Computer Lab just recently post a video on this topic? His choice for the "ultimate Windows 98 AGP card" was a GeForce 4 Ti 4600. And since Phil is the retro god here... 🤣
but he did not mention the dvi-scaler under dos.
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wrote:wrote:I've seen several people talk about Ti4600 cards failing due to overheating over the years. Has anybody actually ever experienced this happening?
If the cooling stays intact, then I don't know if any of the cards in this family run particularly hot. It's hard to tell since they don't have sensors. I think the biggest problem these cards have is mechanical failure of the cooling. I don't think they generally overheat when everything is working correctly.
I've been paranoid about fan failures ever since graphics cards started using active cooling. It's what led me to start installing fan failure alarms on all of them. If you look around on eBay, you can still find some available. The ones I use look like this:
http://aerocooler.com/evercool-ec-as-c-3pin-c … n-alarm-sensor/
https://www.startech.com/support/FANALARM
Of course, these aren't the only options available for detecting fan failures. Other solutions exist as well. Just search around.
I've always considered alarms like these mandatory for video cards or motherboards that don't have an onboard sensor for detecting a failure. When did onboard failure alarms start becoming standard on cards? I think the earliest I have with onboard audible failure detection is my 6800 GT. I could swear that my FX 5950 Ultra card will alert during POST, but has no audible alarm. I could be wrong about that.
wrote:I've seen several people talk about Ti4600 cards failing due to overheating over the years. Has anybody actually ever experienc […]
I've seen several people talk about Ti4600 cards failing due to overheating over the years. Has anybody actually ever experienced this happening? I've got several of them in use in several different PCs. After adding RAMsinks and aftermarket coolers, they seem to run just as cool as any Ti4200 I've ever used. Of course, the only testing I ever did was the ol' "touch it and see if it burns my finger" benchmark.
These are the coolers I like to use on them:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-DC-12Volt-2pin-80 … n-/281523857651
Cheap and highly effective.
The only NVIDIA cards that have ever failed on me were a GF3 Ti500 and an FX 5900 Ultra. Both developed the same problem: artifacting and video glitches due to bad RAM.
What RAMsinks did you use for your Ti 4600?