Was just messing around with my S478 board and a bunch of different CPUs just to see how much P4 it would take to match a overclocked Tualatin rig in Doom 3.

A 2.2GHz, 400FSB Northwood runs neck and neck with a 1585MHz Tualatin in this game.
The 2.2GHz Northwood also matches the overclocked Tualatin in 3DMark01 (both score around 12.5k with a 6800GT).

P4 2.2GHz (Northwood, 400MHz FSB), 2GB DDR266 CL2.5, GeForce 6800GT AGP (81.98), i845, SB Live, WinXP SP3
640x480 Medium: 42.7 fps
1024x768 Ultra: 42.2 fps

Here were the PIII results:
PIII-S 1400@1585, 151MHz FSB, 1.5GB SDRAM 2-2-2, GeForce 6800GT AGP (81.98), VIA 694T, X-Fi Extreme Music, XP SP3
640x480 Medium: 42.6 fps
1024x768 Ultra: 41.5 fps

Interesting results.

I ran into much worse performance differences when looking into V2 SLI scaling. The Pentium III-S was super fast, but with the Pentium 4 platform it took like a 3GHz and faster to match the performance. But who knows what's the reason for this. Either way, a Pentium III-S is very quick, but I found the P4 a little bit easier to work with and much cheaper to obtain parts.

Now that my Soyo board has been recapped (thanks once again Chris@Badcaps for the recap job 😊 ), I brought my Pentium 4 build back to its previous 2011 specs. And just out of curiosity I reran the Doom 3 timedemos, all at Ultra Quality and with default settings.

Pentium 4 2.4GHz Northwood, Soyo P4I-845PE (Socket 478), 2gb DDR-333, NVIDIA GeForce 6600 256mb AGP (169.28 Forceware WHQL drivers), Dynex DX-SC51, DirectX 9.0c, Windows XP Pro SP3.

640x480=46.3

800x600=45.7

1024x768=42.4

Nice to see some improvement, even if it's very slight - and yes, Doom 3 is still CPU bound; that's fine though, I can live with that 😀

JayCeeBee64 wrote:

Now that my Soyo board has been recapped (thanks once again Chris@Badcaps for the recap job 😊 ), I brought my Pentium 4 build back to its previous 2011 specs. And just out of curiosity I reran the Doom 3 timedemos, all at Ultra Quality and with default settings.

Pentium 4 2.4GHz Northwood, Soyo P4I-845PE (Socket 478), 2gb DDR-333, NVIDIA GeForce 6600 256mb AGP (169.28 Forceware WHQL drivers), Dynex DX-SC51, DirectX 9.0c, Windows XP Pro SP3.

Nice to see some improvement, even if it's very slight - and yes, Doom 3 is still CPU bound; that's fine though, I can live with that 😀

Well it was enough to leapfrog Steves Northwood 2.2 😀

I found the bench results I got when the game came out 😁

Here goes :

Config : P3S 1266@1266, 512mo SDR (TUSL2-C), Radeon 9800pro@9800pro. drivers catalyst 4.8, Windows 2000 sp4

Benchs :
-800x600 details min, with shadows and advanced graphic effects -- 25 fps
-800x600 details min, without shadows and advanced graphic effects -- 34 fps
-800x600 med detail, without shadows and advanced graphic effects -- 33 fps
-800x600 high detail, without shadows and advanced graphic effects -- 33 fps
-1024x768 high detail, without shadows and advanced graphic effects -- 32 fps
-1024x768 high detail, with shadows and advanced graphic effects -- 26 fps

Moving to the Athlon 64 later did help "a bit" :p

A few more S478 benchmarks; a 2.6 Northwood Celeron and a 2.66/533 Northwood P4. There's an astonishingly huge* difference in performance between these CPUs, despite being clocked the same.

Celeron 2.6GHz (128K L2, 400FSB), 2GB DDR266 CL2.5, GeForce 6800GT AGP (81.98), i845, SBLive, XP SP3
640x480 Medium: 25.2 fps
1024x768 Ultra: 25.2 fps

P4 2.66GHz (Northwood, 533FSB), 2GB DDR333 CL2.5, GeForce 6800GT AGP (81.98), i845, SBLive, XP SP3
640x480 Medium: 54.3 fps
1024x768 Ultra: 54.0 fps

*that's what she said. OH!

Time to take the main rig out for a spin. Here's Ivy Bridge-E running at a nice even 4GHz.
Core i7 4930K @ 4GHz, Asus GTX 970 (347.25), 32GB DDR3-2133 CL9, Asus Rampage IV Gene (x79), onboard audio, Win7 x64

640x480 Medium: 529.3 fps
1024x768 Ultra: 526.5 fps

All right, this will probably be my last Doom 3 post for a while. I'm out of systems to benchmark! 😊

Here's the Win7 result for my 3GHz S939 Opteron system. Not much lower than the 3GHz WinXP score. Win7 doesn't seem to have nearly the same impact on Doom3 as it does on 3DMark01.
S939 Opteron 185 @ 3.0GHz, GeForce GTX 560 (341.44), 4GB DDR400 CL2, Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe, X-Fi Titanium Fatality, Win7 x64

1024x768 Ultra:

Non OC'd
P4 3.2 Northwood, Abit IC7-G, 2gb DDR400, Geforce 6800GS 92.91, XP SP3, Audigy Platnium

Oc'd

P4 3.2 Northwood @ 3.6, Abit IC7-G, 1gb DDR 450, Geforce 6800GS @ 400/1100 unlocked 16pp/6v 92.91, XP SP3, Audigy Platnium

final run for me, until I find an A64 system

P4 3.0C Northwood @ 3.75 250mhz FSB, Abit IC7-G, 1gb DDR 500, Geforce 6800GS @ 425/1100 unlocked 16pp/6v 92.91, XP SP3, Audigy Platnium

Period Correct Toplist - Overclocked
New top score 😎

116.2 fps

Athlon 64 3700+ @ 2.8 GHz (San Diego)
GeForce 6800 GT PCI-E @ 425/1100 MHz (FW 91.31)
Asus A8N-E (NF4 Ultra)
2x 512MB DDR 466 CL 2.5-3-3-5
Creative Audigy SE
Windows XP SP3

Overclocked both CPU and VGA, default driver settings, 1024x768 Ultra

Very nice 😀

Much better performance clock for clock compared to my score!
Its a bit of a mystery the different scaling 😀

I re-ran the demo on my previous LESS STRICT setup using NVidia driver v92.91 that seems to be the preferred one here. Nice - added about 6 fps to the score:

LESS STRICT Round 2

1024 x 768 Ultra [AA OFF] = 76.1

P4-3.6 Prescott 800/2mb, BioStar P4M890-M7-TE/socket 775, EVGA 7900GTX/512mb [92.91], 2gb DDR2/pc4300, SBLive!, XP Pro SP3

No special tweaks.

I dual boot W98SE on the same rig so next up I'll give the W98 fixed D3 a run.

EDIT: Passing on the fixed W98 test as I ran into issues due to no internet hookup/dll related stuff not worth sorting out.

Skyscraper wrote:

Very nice 😀

Much better performance clock for clock compared to my score!
Its a bit of a mystery the different scaling 😀

yea I'd love to figure that out myself, I thought id do better than I did with my geforce 6 🤣

also interesting to notice the 6800GS turned into an Ultra Extreme isn't much faster than an x800XT running at x850XT speeds 🤣, which I've noticed, not alot of x800 love around here

I managed to push my latest toy beyond 300 FPS! Doom 3 seems to like fast memory 😀

Not too bad for an air cooled Core 2 Duo. To get a much better score than this with a socket 775 system I would have to use water with my E8600.

1024*768 Ultra.

so may have another run to do shortly, a local has an Opteron 144 on an Nforce3 250 939 board for 12 bucks, im waiting to find out if he still has it, if he does 😁

though i cant use it for period correct, the venus core is from aug 2005, even though its just a server version of San Diego

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My latest dumpster find, an ultra small form factor Dell Optiplex 780. […]
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My latest dumpster find, an ultra small form factor Dell Optiplex 780.

Core 2 Duo e7500 (2.93GHz, 1066FSB, 3MB L2), Intel GMA X4500HD, 4GB DDR3-1066 CL7, onboard audio, XP SP3

640x480 Medium: 35.3 fps
1024x768 Ultra: 26.0 fps
1280x1024 Ultra: 17.2 fps

Core 2 era integrated graphics really suck, even with DDR3.

I've been there before. The GMA 4500MHD in the HP EliteBook 2730p I used to have was a total slug, complete garbage. Couldn't really play anything on it, though that's not why I bought it to begin with.

Moved on to a Fujitsu T901 with Sandy Bridge/HD 3000, and that thing STILL couldn't outperform my old P4EE/6800 Ultra box. It's less crap, but it's still crap.

Then I upgraded again to the next model up. T902, Ivy Bridge/HD 4000. It's still going to completely suck, right?

1152x864 High: 65.8 FPS

I don't know what Intel did here, but now they're starting to not be a complete joke in graphics performance for once. Only took them over a decade to start approaching a GeForce 6800's performance in this equally old benchmark! Maybe things will really pick up past that going to Haswell, Broadwell and onward to the point where Intel's at least viable for the good old games now.

In other news, some friends had given us an old HP desktop. Athlon 64 3700+, 2x512 MB of RAM, Radeon Xpress 200 chipset, empty PCIe slot. I know what you're thinking here, but I don't have a period-appropriate PCIe card at all. My oldest is the 8800 GT that I originally got for my much more modern Q6600 box, and I actually would put it in this system if said Q6600 box could be treated to something nicer, like my now-dead GTX 480. Maybe I'll just start a cascading upgrade when my 4770K system gets a new graphics card, then its GTX 760 goes to the Q6600 and the 8800 GT goes to the A64 3700+.

Another 3.13GHz Opteron suicide run, but this time with Windows 7.
It looks like 3.13GHz in Win7 = 3.00GHz in WinXP, which is not bad at all for an older game that was not designed with the newer OS in mind.
Still, I kinda hate running this poor chip at 1.6v just to gain a measly 133MHz--this is purely for edutainment. I've already set it back to 3GHz/1.35v. 😀

Opteron 185 @ 3.13GHz, GeForce GTX 560 (341.44), 4GB DDR400 CL2, Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe, X-Fi Titanium Fatality, Win7 x64
1024x768 Ultra:

Though I don't have much post-P4 intel gear lying around I did find an s775 Core2Duo 2.2 in the parts box and decided to swap it for the Prescott 2M 3.6 I ran the demo with recently [best = 76.1 in the Less Strict category]. So, same rig/different cpu:

Anything Goes - Round 3

1024 x 768 Ultra [AA OFF] = 104.5

Core2Duo 2.2, BioStar P4M890-M7-TE/socket 775, EVGA 7900GTX [92.91], 2gb DDR2/pc4300, SBLive!, XP Pro SP3 = 104.5

So, about a 37% improvement at 60% the clock - not bad and in line with what I've read. This is my XP+W98se dual boot rocket ship and I think I'll keep the 2CD in for now and test for XP/X9x games that don't like multi-core. The Prescott 3.6 did fine and was cheap cheap, but I saved the C2D from the dumpster at work so it fully meets the "budget" requirements:)

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Though I don't have much post-P4 intel gear lying around I did find an s775 Core2Duo 2.2 in the parts box and decided to swap it […]
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Though I don't have much post-P4 intel gear lying around I did find an s775 Core2Duo 2.2 in the parts box and decided to swap it for the Prescott 2M 3.6 I ran the demo with recently [best = 76.1 in the Less Strict category]. So, same rig/different cpu:

Less Strict - Round 3

1024 x 768 Ultra [AA OFF] = 104.5

Core2Duo 2.2, BioStar P4M890-M7-TE/socket 775, EVGA 7900GTX [92.91], 2gb DDR2/pc4300, SBLive!, XP Pro SP3 = 104.5

So, about a 37% improvement at 60% the clock - not bad and in line with what I've read. This is my XP+W98se dual boot rocket ship and I think I'll keep the 2CD in for now and test for XP/X9x games that don't like multi-core. The Prescott 3.6 did fine and was cheap cheap, but I saved the C2D from the dumpster at work so it fully meets the "budget" requirements:)

Nice, but the entry goes in the FFA list!
The E4500 is way too awesome to be even slightly period correct 😀