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Reply 380 of 648, by Standard Def Steve

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I found a PCI-E GeForce 6800GS the other day, so I decided to stick it in my overclocked Q6700 to see what it could do with absolutely no CPU bottleneck.

The 6800GS appears to be roughly the same speed as a 6800GT. In 3DMark03, the GS scored 13452; the GT paired with a 2.64GHz Athlon 64 scored 12074. The only major difference was in Wings of Fury, where the Core 2 Quad gave the GS a huge boost over the 6800GT/A64 setup.

So how's it in Doom 3?

Core 2 Quad Q6700 @ 3.33GHz/1333FSB, GeForce 6800GS PCI-E (309.08), 8GB DDR2-667 4-4-4-12-1T, Asus P5N-E SLI (nForce 650i), X-Fi Ti, Win7 64 SP1

640x480 Medium: 188.8
1024x768 Ultra: 104.6
1280x1024 Ultra: 77.6
1600x1200 Ultra: 42.1

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Completely video bottlenecked, even at 640x480! The Q6700 can hit 265.4 fps at 1024x768/Ultra with a faster video card:

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Reply 381 of 648, by Skyscraper

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Tualatin PIII @ 1.4ghz X 2, Gefore 6800 OC 128MB, 1GB PC133 SDRAM, Tyan Tiger S2507t […]
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ran without sound because I don't know how to enable sound for the timedemo

36.7 FPS @ High, 1024X768 Res
31.7 FPS @ Ultra, 1280x1024 Res

The demo is quiet, the "sound enabled" instruction is only stating that (if at all possible) you should have a sound card and sound drivers loaded and not disable sound in any way, you can otherwise gain some performance by running a very stripped down system.

You will get a better score for the list if you run the timedemo at 1024*768 Ultra 😀

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I found a PCI-E GeForce 6800GS the other day, so I decided to stick it in my overclocked Q6700 to see what it could do with abso […]
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I found a PCI-E GeForce 6800GS the other day, so I decided to stick it in my overclocked Q6700 to see what it could do with absolutely no CPU bottleneck.

The 6800GS appears to be roughly the same speed as a 6800GT. In 3DMark03, the GS scored 13452; the GT paired with a 2.64GHz Athlon 64 scored 12074. The only major difference was in Wings of Fury, where the Core 2 Quad gave the GS a huge boost over the 6800GT/A64 setup.

So how's it in Doom 3?

Completely video bottlenecked, even at 640x480! The Q6700 can hit 265.4 fps at 1024x768/Ultra with a faster video card:

There are different versions of the 6800GS, some cards are decent like yours others is as slow as a 6600GT! 😀

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Reply 382 of 648, by rick6

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I just got myself a new laptop. it's a i5 5200U, 8GB of ram, Geforce 940m and Windows 10.
Most games run fine on it, but Doom 3 is the one that got me most trouble to get working "properly". First of all i couldn't run it without the latest patch, and even after that i was having horrible performance on it. The most weird part was that i only got it to work fine if i enabled AA at 2X. If i had it turned off it would perform really bad.
So...with resolution of 1024x768 on Ultra, and AA at 2X and with the latest patch (which decreases FPS) i got 77 dot something fps.
I'm going to try later at night different drivers and see if this weird problem goes away.

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Reply 383 of 648, by rick6

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Alright, i think i got it fixed.

So..
i5 5200U, 8GB of ram, 256 GB SSD + 500GB HDD, Geforce 940m running Doom 3 at 1024x768 @ Ultra, but with the latest patch and without AA:

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Quite a jump from 77 fps to 149,9 just by only upgrading the GPU drivers..

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Reply 384 of 648, by Standard Def Steve

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Here's my first entry for the less strict somewhat period correct toplist. 😀

A64 3700+ @ 2.75GHz, Radeon X1950 Pro AGP (Cat 10.4), 2GB PC4000 @ 500MHz/CL2.5, Gigabyte K8NSC-939 (NF3 250Gb), onboard audio, Win7 x86 SP1

640x480 Medium: 107.8
1024x768 Ultra: 103.5
1280x1024 Ultra: 94.0
1600x1200 Ultra: 80.2

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It's kind of insane how much faster the Opteron 185 @ 3.13 is in Windows 7 (172 fps @ 10x7). That second core really helps a lot in Doom 3!

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Reply 385 of 648, by Standard Def Steve

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Here's that same rig running XP. It's not doing bad at all for a single-core CPU--it's one frame faster than the Pentium D 830/GTX 560!

A64 3700+ @ 2.75GHz, Radeon X1950 Pro AGP (Cat 10.2), 2GB PC4000 @ 500MHz/CL2.5, Gigabyte K8NSC-939 (NF3 250Gb), onboard audio, XP-SP3

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To alleviate some of the CPU bottleneck, I pulled out my Asrock 775i65G and strapped on a core 2 Duo E6600. Unfortunately this board is a shitty overclocker (the i865 chipset is already near its limit running 1066FSB CPUs) so I left the CPU at stock clocks. The use of underclocked DDR1 memory is probably hurting Core 2's performance a fair bit; an Opteron 185 @ 3.13GHz can hit 192.4 fps under XP! As suboptimal as this board is for Core2 processors, that second core still manages to push the x1950 Pro well beyond what was possible with the 2.75GHz Athlon 64!

C2D E6600 2.4GHz, Radeon X1950 Pro AGP (Cat 10.4), 2GB PC3200 @ 356MHz/CL2, Asrock 775i65G (i865), onboard audio, XP-SP3
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Reply 386 of 648, by Skyscraper

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Very nice, the lists are updated. 😀

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Reply 387 of 648, by PhilsComputerLab

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Got an entry for period correct hardware using Doom 1.31 😀

76.9 FPS, PhilsComputerlab, P4 3.4 EE, Aopen MX4SG-4DN i865, 2x1024 MB DDR400 CL3-3-3-8, MSI AGP Geforce 6800 GT, 93.71, PCI X-Fi XtremeGamer, XP SP3, Doom 3 1.31 (Steam version)

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Reply 388 of 648, by candle_86

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Skyscraper wrote:
The demo is quiet, the "sound enabled" instruction is only stating that (if at all possible) you should have a sound card and so […]
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soviet conscript wrote:
Tualatin PIII @ 1.4ghz X 2, Gefore 6800 OC 128MB, 1GB PC133 SDRAM, Tyan Tiger S2507t […]
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Tualatin PIII @ 1.4ghz X 2, Gefore 6800 OC 128MB, 1GB PC133 SDRAM, Tyan Tiger S2507t

ran without sound because I don't know how to enable sound for the timedemo

36.7 FPS @ High, 1024X768 Res
31.7 FPS @ Ultra, 1280x1024 Res

The demo is quiet, the "sound enabled" instruction is only stating that (if at all possible) you should have a sound card and sound drivers loaded and not disable sound in any way, you can otherwise gain some performance by running a very stripped down system.

You will get a better score for the list if you run the timedemo at 1024*768 Ultra 😀

Standard Def Steve wrote:
I found a PCI-E GeForce 6800GS the other day, so I decided to stick it in my overclocked Q6700 to see what it could do with abso […]
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I found a PCI-E GeForce 6800GS the other day, so I decided to stick it in my overclocked Q6700 to see what it could do with absolutely no CPU bottleneck.

The 6800GS appears to be roughly the same speed as a 6800GT. In 3DMark03, the GS scored 13452; the GT paired with a 2.64GHz Athlon 64 scored 12074. The only major difference was in Wings of Fury, where the Core 2 Quad gave the GS a huge boost over the 6800GT/A64 setup.

So how's it in Doom 3?

Completely video bottlenecked, even at 640x480! The Q6700 can hit 265.4 fps at 1024x768/Ultra with a faster video card:

There are different versions of the 6800GS, some cards are decent like yours others is as slow as a 6600GT! 😀

The slow 6800GS's where AGP cards and by that time id wager pretty much every NV40 could unlock from 12pp to 16pp on new cards, so it was easy to make your 6800GS AGP a 6800GT by just unlocking the 4 pipelines. The really abysmal 6800 card's where the 6800XT's, 8 pipelines, 128bit memory bus 🤣, actually slower depending on the manufacture than a plain 6600, let alone the 6600 DDR2 or 6600GT

Reply 389 of 648, by Standard Def Steve

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Here's your first Celeron D result.

Celeron D 335 2.8GHz, GeForce 6800GT AGP (81.98), 1GB PC2700/CL2.5, Dell i865 mobo with absolutely no tweakability, onboard audio, XP-SP3

1024x768 Ultra:
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It's almost twice as fast as the completely hopeless Northwood Celeron, but doesn't quite match the DDR equipped, overclocked Tualatin. To be fair, games like Doom3 are kind of a worst case scenario for these P4 based Celerons. The Celeron D 335 does manage to beat the PIII-S in 3DMark01, although not by a huge amount.

Here's how the Celly D stacks up against a gaggle of other CPUs, all using a 6800GT AGP unless otherwise indicated. The faster CPUs are all video limited.

Celeron 2.6 (Northwood): 25.2 fps
P4 1.8 (Willamette): 30.2 fps
Celeron D 335 (2.8GHz): 47.2 fps
PIII-S @ 1575 w/ DDR: 49.3 fps
P4 2.66 (Northwood): 54.0 fps
Athlon XP 2800+ (Barton): 57.4 fps
P4 520 @ 3.73GHz (6800GT PCI-E): 91.6 fps
Pentium M @ 2.66GHz (6800GT PCI-E): 104.2 fps
Core 2 Quad @ 3.33GHz (6800GS PCI-E): 104.6 fps
Athlon 64 @ 2.75GHz: 106.9 fps

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Reply 390 of 648, by Imperious

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Not sure which category this belongs in, but it's my Abit system as below. Running on WinXP SP3. Ultra settings at 1024x768.
I couldn't complete the Benchmark in Win98, froze always on Ultra settings near the end where He goes through the 2nd door.

Athlon XP-M(Barton)@2.244GHz, ATI 9800XT@412-742 Cat 6.11, 512MB SDRAM PC133/CL2, Abit KT7-Raid, Yamaha YMF-724 Pci, XP-SP3

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Reply 391 of 648, by PhilsComputerLab

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Ok, so the previous entry I forgot to put the quality back on Ultra.

Here are new results. I'm having a hard time tracking down a retail copy of Doom, so I'm just adding the version number at the end.

78.9 FPS, PhilsComputerlab, P4 3.4 EE, Aopen MX4SG-4DN i865, 2x CMX1024-3200C2PT DDR400 CL2-3-3-6, MSI AGP Geforce 6800 GT, 93.71, PCI X-Fi XtremeGamer, XP SP3, 1.31 (Steam version)

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Reply 392 of 648, by PhilsComputerLab

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Another entry for the period correct list 😁

It's HAMMER time. *Doom 3 music playing*

This is the 3700+ with ClawHammer core for the socket 754. Released in June 2004, screams along at 2.4 GHz and has a whopping 1 MB of L2 cache.

Interestingly, the 2.0 GHz 3200+ and the 2.2 GHz 3400+ ClawHammer chips, do not have a BIOS option for 1T/2T. But put the 3700+ in and the 1T/2T option appears in the BIOS. I set it to 1T and 200 MHz memory speed.

96.3 FPS, PhilsComputerlab, Athlon 64 ClawHammer 3700+, Gigabyte GA-K8VM800M REV 2.0, VIA K8M800, 2x CMX1024-3200C2PT DDR400 CL3-3-3-8 1T, MSI AGP Geforce 6800 GT, 93.71, PCI X-Fi XtremeGamer, XP SP3, Doom 3 1.0.1262

Bench setup:

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Reply 393 of 648, by Skyscraper

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Very nice! 😀

A socket Socket-754 3700+ 2.4 Ghz 0.13um is about as fast as a Socket-939 3700+ 2.2 GHz 0.09um. 😀

It looks strange with my Athlon 64 4000+ beeing beaten, Doom 3 v1.31 sucks! I really need to rerun the timedemo using Doom 3 v1.0 with the systems I benched with v1.31!

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Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 394 of 648, by PhilsComputerLab

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Same machine, with medium! details at 1024 x 768, only gets 85.8 fps with the Steam version!

Makes a massive difference indeed.

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Reply 395 of 648, by vetz

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Stock speeds:
91.9 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ultra AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3
88.5 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800GT AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3

Overclocked:
104,4 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4@4.08 (240FSB) Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR384 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ultra@423/1140 AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3

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Reply 396 of 648, by Skyscraper

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Stock speeds: 91.9 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ult […]
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Stock speeds:
91.9 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ultra AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3
88.5 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800GT AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3

Overclocked:
104,4 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4@4.08 (240FSB) Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR384 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ultra@423/1140 AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3

I need to know if its the Prescott 1M (540) or Prescott 2M (640) to put your results in the correct list. 😀

As we are a bit slack when if comes to AMD 0.09 um vs AMD 0.13 um I might consider accepting the non exeme edition 2005 Prescott 2M as period correct but I need to do some testing to see that they perform the same first. If your CPU is a Prescott 540 1M I can push that decision forward in time some more. 😀

Cedar Mill goes in the almost period correct list in any case.

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Reply 397 of 648, by vetz

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Stock speeds: 91.9 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ult […]
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Stock speeds:
91.9 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ultra AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3
88.5 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800GT AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3

Overclocked:
104,4 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4@4.08 (240FSB) Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR384 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ultra@423/1140 AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3

I need to know if its the Prescott 1M (540) or Prescott 2M (640) to put your results in the correct list. 😀

There were no 2M S478 Prescotts released, so its a 1M model.

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Reply 398 of 648, by Skyscraper

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vetz wrote:
Skyscraper wrote:
vetz wrote:
Stock speeds: 91.9 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ult […]
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Stock speeds:
91.9 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ultra AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3
88.5 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4ghz Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR400 CL2,2,2,5, 6800GT AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3

Overclocked:
104,4 FPS, Vetz, Pentium 4 HT (Prescott) 3.4@4.08 (240FSB) Socket 478, ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe, 2x512MB DDR384 CL2,2,2,5, 6800Ultra@423/1140 AGP 92.91, X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty, XP SP3

I need to know if its the Prescott 1M (540) or Prescott 2M (640) to put your results in the correct list. 😀

There were no 2M S478 Prescotts released, so its a 1M model.

I have to blame tiredness for not reading through the whole spec.

4.08 GHz is a very nice overclock, thats probably what led me to the wrong conclusion. 😀

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Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 399 of 648, by PhilsComputerLab

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Very nice! 😀

A socket Socket-754 3700+ 2.4 Ghz 0.13um is about as fast as a Socket-939 3700+ 2.2 GHz 0.09um. 😀

Just did a run on an Asus AV8 board with 4000+ (San Diego core) and it's not much faster.

Simulating a 6800 Ultra (I over-clocked the 6800 GT) helped much more, and the machine achieves 106.2 FPS with Doom 3 1.0.1262.

Are simulated graphics cards allowed (6800 Ultra cards are hard to find). Got to get myself one of the 2004 FX chips 😁

Are driver tweaks allowed? All my results so far are at defaults, but setting them to performance could yield a few extra fsp 🤣

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