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Reply 20 of 31, by candle_86

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johnvosh wrote on 2021-05-02, 00:59:
candle_86 wrote on 2021-05-02, 00:55:

so the only issue game i really see is NFS:U2 its slow on cards from 2004, even the mighty x800 is slow with it, id look at an x1900GT AGP minimum

I ended up buying the Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3650 512MB AGP GDDR3 card on ebay as it was the more reasonably priced card. Was CAD$70 shipped. Hopefully it will be here before the end of the month.

its not ideal, while it has shaders it's also slower than a 7600GS, its comparable to a 6800NU or 6600GT, and maybe an x800GT, in other words its not really an upgrade. It's hobbled by its ROP's, and this makes it slow

Reply 21 of 31, by johnvosh

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pixelatedscraps wrote on 2021-05-02, 12:00:
johnvosh wrote on 2021-04-27, 23:26:
pixelatedscraps wrote on 2021-04-27, 13:14:

How period correct do you want it or do you want best performance / bang for buck?

I was going to try and go somewhat period correct. It is running Windows XP, The motherboard was released July of 2004, the CPU was released May 2005. So could say that the motherboard and CPU were bought mid 2005. Of course my HDD is a 150GB Velociraptor and has a date of Jan 2010 on it. The monitor has a date of Dec 2006.

I was thinking something between mid-2005 to end of 2006 would probably be good for a video card...

Man, then I'd go for an X1950XTX - pretty much the best single GPU card you could get in 2006. Also pretty cheap on eBay - I had my eye on one a couple of months ago for $40...

I had a look for that one, but there really isn't any that come up. Can find some of the lesser X1950 and X1900 cards, all with 256MB though and for being in Canada, they are closer to CAD$100 plus shipping.

Reply 22 of 31, by johnvosh

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vad4r wrote on 2021-05-02, 12:11:

Maybe it's better to switch to a board with PCIe and a PCIe GPU, because the latest AGP cards are more expensive than the first PCIe cards with the same chips.

After rereading thru the replies, I think that it probably what I will end up doing. And after searching on ebay, pci-e cards are cheaper and easier to find then the AGP versions.

Reply 24 of 31, by johnvosh

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candle_86 wrote on 2021-05-02, 19:44:
johnvosh wrote on 2021-05-02, 00:59:
candle_86 wrote on 2021-05-02, 00:55:

so the only issue game i really see is NFS:U2 its slow on cards from 2004, even the mighty x800 is slow with it, id look at an x1900GT AGP minimum

I ended up buying the Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3650 512MB AGP GDDR3 card on ebay as it was the more reasonably priced card. Was CAD$70 shipped. Hopefully it will be here before the end of the month.

its not ideal, while it has shaders it's also slower than a 7600GS, its comparable to a 6800NU or 6600GT, and maybe an x800GT, in other words its not really an upgrade. It's hobbled by its ROP's, and this makes it slow

For now, it should hopefully be okay. I don't want to stress the 9700 too much. I will probably use the 9700 for a Win 98SE machine. I did remove the heat sink and put new thermal paste on it. I will probably end up going to a different motherboard so I can get a card, easier to find in the PCIe version.

Reply 25 of 31, by johnvosh

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pentiumspeed wrote on 2021-05-02, 19:55:

Smart move.

Cheers,

What would you recommend for a good S939 board? I found a Gigabyte GA-K8N51GMF-9 for a decent price, is it any good? I also found an ASUS A8N-VM CSM and an ASUS A8N5X

Reply 26 of 31, by stef80

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johnvosh wrote on 2021-05-02, 19:55:

For now, it should hopefully be okay. I don't want to stress the 9700 too much. I will probably use the 9700 for a Win 98SE machine. I did remove the heat sink and put new thermal paste on it. I will probably end up going to a different motherboard so I can get a card, easier to find in the PCIe version.

I hope you are not talking about 9700 and stock heatsink. At least make sure it's making proper contact. GPU usually sits a bit lower then surrounding shim, and thick and hard factory TIM is filling the void.
Basically, if you remove stock cooler you either de-shim the GPU or put Zalman VF700/900 or ATI Silencer on. I'd go with second option.

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Reply 27 of 31, by candle_86

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You've got me curious about some of ATI's AGP cards, so I tossed my x1600 Pro into my XP 2800 and im going to see how it compares to a 9800Pro then also compare it to an AGP 4350

It would be interesting to see where they stack up, because the 9800Pro and x1600 need external power, but can the HD4350 match them while using 20W

Reply 28 of 31, by chrismeyer6

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candle_86 wrote on 2021-05-02, 23:52:

You've got me curious about some of ATI's AGP cards, so I tossed my x1600 Pro into my XP 2800 and im going to see how it compares to a 9800Pro then also compare it to an AGP 4350

It would be interesting to see where they stack up, because the 9800Pro and x1600 need external power, but can the HD4350 match them while using 20W

That sounds like a fun experiment. Can't wait to see your results.

Reply 29 of 31, by shamino

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johnvosh wrote on 2021-05-02, 20:16:

What would you recommend for a good S939 board? I found a Gigabyte GA-K8N51GMF-9 for a decent price, is it any good? I also found an ASUS A8N-VM CSM and an ASUS A8N5X

I haven't used those exact boards but I have an A8N-SLI. Based on problems I had with it, I believe that it cannot reliably support cards that draw the maximum amount of power from the video card slot (75W I believe).
Pretty much in any generation of cards, there will be one model that sits near that threshold, being the most powerful card that doesn't require auxiliary power connectors.

I was trying to run my A8N-SLI with a GT240-GDDR5, which is one of those type of cards. The motherboard was prone to abruptly power off when Minecraft was running. I don't know about other games, that's all anybody was playing on it at the time.
It was not the PSU switching off, it was the motherboard because it could easily be restarted by just pushing the power button. I tried watching temperatures in Speedfan and saw no sign of overheating to explain it.
I remember fiddling with the SLI card-thingy and believe I tried both Express x16 slots but had the same problem. I know I also had the extra 4-pin Molex plugged into the motherboard at least part of the time (even though it should be redundant with the "P4" connector).
Once I swapped the GT240 to a GT520 the problem was fixed.

I have not tried any higher powered card that uses auxiliary power connectors, but I'm guessing those would work better since they probably don't max out the 75W budget on the slot.
I don't know if the A8N-variants you listed above would share the same problem.

Reply 30 of 31, by shamino

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candle_86 wrote on 2021-05-02, 23:52:

You've got me curious about some of ATI's AGP cards, so I tossed my x1600 Pro into my XP 2800 and im going to see how it compares to a 9800Pro then also compare it to an AGP 4350

It would be interesting to see where they stack up, because the 9800Pro and x1600 need external power, but can the HD4350 match them while using 20W

Back then I upgraded from an AGP system running a 9800Pro to my first PCI-Express system running an HD4350. I picked that card because it was cheap, and based on whatever research I did at the time, I inferred it was enough to stay ahead of the 9800Pro so it would be good enough for what I was playing at the time.
It was indeed faster but that was a complete system upgrade so it wasn't a good comparison. If you can do a more controlled comparison of those cards it would be interesting.

Reply 31 of 31, by candle_86

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shamino wrote on 2021-05-03, 03:54:
candle_86 wrote on 2021-05-02, 23:52:

You've got me curious about some of ATI's AGP cards, so I tossed my x1600 Pro into my XP 2800 and im going to see how it compares to a 9800Pro then also compare it to an AGP 4350

It would be interesting to see where they stack up, because the 9800Pro and x1600 need external power, but can the HD4350 match them while using 20W

Back then I upgraded from an AGP system running a 9800Pro to my first PCI-Express system running an HD4350. I picked that card because it was cheap, and based on whatever research I did at the time, I inferred it was enough to stay ahead of the 9800Pro so it would be good enough for what I was playing at the time.
It was indeed faster but that was a complete system upgrade so it wasn't a good comparison. If you can do a more controlled comparison of those cards it would be interesting.

I can but sadly the Athlon XP won't do it, the drivers crash on it, but I've got a socket 754 compaq I can test with later this week and I'll let yall know for sure. I'd test in my P4 rig that's already built, but I don't really wanna take out the 7800GS, im terrified I'd damage it somehow 🤣