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First post, by Ydee

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I've been thinking for a long time about what system is best for the Voodoo3 2ooo PCI graphics card in terms of the ratio of performance and optimal image quality in games.
Some say that for these cards the best SS7 platform is with some K6-2/+/3/+ CPU or slot1 with PII/III, others say that the bottleneck ends up somewhere near the socket 370 and PIII around 800 MHz or similar with the socket A and Athlon/Duron on the same frequency.
I have the option to build the SS7 platform on Ali Alladin V and K6-2 500 or s.370 on VIA Apollo Pro133/Intel 440BX/LX and Pentium III 800-1000. What will be more suitable for games until about cca 2000 in 1024x768 and W98SE?

Reply 2 of 9, by BitWrangler

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2000 PCI is more of an 800x600 card IMO, whatever CPU you've got pushing. Maybe pick the board you don't have other ideas for, like if it's the LX, put a PPGA slotket and 433 Celeron clocked to 83x6.5 for 540-ish. But fast super 7, or PIII is fine too, depends if you feel you're "wasting" the BX 'coz you have ideas about tualatins or something, when 800ish is ample for the V3, but getting the CPU is cheap.

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Reply 3 of 9, by Ydee

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Thank you both for your opinion, I know Voodoo target group are mainly Glide games, but I would like to play them in the best possible quality and I'm a little worried if the SS7 platform will be enough? I was a little surprised by the recent PCI ATI Radeon test, which only achieved 1800 points on the overclocked SiS 5591 and K6-2 300CXT (@83x4.5) in 3DM99.
Similarly clocked PIII Katmai (550@83x5,5)on i440LX with TNT2 M64 Vanta achieved 3500 points in the same test (albeit AGP). I know it's not the same weight category, but I'm still not sure if the K6-2 has enough power to load Voodoo3.
I could use that LX board in combination with a slotket and some PIII Coppermine, at FSB 83 MHz it could be close to the V3 sweet spot, right?

Reply 4 of 9, by BitWrangler

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ATI cards, even the rage 128 and earlier are quite heavy on the CPU, for a Rage II they gave a minimum spec of a PII 233 which a K6-2-300 is about level with all around. So radeon is 3 gens newer than that, needs more power. Geforce OG/2/3/4 is much lighter on the CPU by comparison, and Voodoo3 lighter still, they even help fast 486 out a touch.

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Reply 5 of 9, by rasz_pl

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Ydee wrote on 2021-11-06, 10:34:

Glide games, but I would like to play them in the best possible quality

that would be V4-5 territory

Voodoo3 2000 PCI is perfect for socket7 systems where you either didnt get AGP, or what you got wasnt stable at all when used according to spec. Another good home is budged PCs with integrated graphic chipsets. 500-1000mhz seems a good range.

Back in 2002-2005 I used Voodoo3 3000 paired with 1.8GHz AMD to play Unreal Tournament mods in 1024x768 (~50-60fps). Good memories.

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Reply 6 of 9, by Ydee

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BitWrangler wrote on 2021-11-06, 11:06:

ATI cards, even the rage 128 and earlier are quite heavy on the CPU, for a Rage II they gave a minimum spec of a PII 233 which a K6-2-300 is about level with all around.

Thank you for explaining, I had no idea ATI cards had such high CPU performance requirements. I understand that the R100 needs a more powerful platform than the socket (super) 7, but I was still amazed by the result.

rasz_pl wrote on 2021-11-06, 11:14:
Ydee wrote on 2021-11-06, 10:34:

Glide games, but I would like to play them in the best possible quality

that would be V4-5 territory

I believe, but I don't think I'll ever become the holder of these cards at current and future prices.

rasz_pl wrote on 2021-11-06, 11:14:

Voodoo3 2000 PCI is perfect for socket7 systems where you either didnt get AGP, or what you got wasnt stable at all when used according to spec. Another good home is budged PCs with integrated graphic chipsets. 500-1000mhz seems a good range.

S7 without AGP I have only 3 pieces, the strongest CPU into them just K6-2 500 and I want to keep that in the GA-5AA with AGP. Pentium MMX and the weaker ones will probably be bottleneck again, or am I mistaken?

Reply 7 of 9, by SSTV2

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Ydee wrote on 2021-11-05, 15:58:

I have the option to build the SS7 platform on Ali Alladin V and K6-2 500 or s.370 on VIA Apollo Pro133/Intel 440BX/LX and Pentium III 800-1000. What will be more suitable for games until about cca 2000 in 1024x768 and W98SE?

You will see this statement, that both AGP and PCI versions of Voodoo3 perfectly fits SS7 systems due to their bad AGP implementation - alot and it's true. If you have a system that is build upon a chipset with a flawed AGP implementation (all SS7 chipsets, VIA P6 chipsets with AGP2x max transfer rate and early AMD slotA chipset) stick to Voodoo2/3 if you have such an option. On the other hand, if your chipset has a good AGP implementation - you automatically get much better options than V2/3 and should stick to DX7+ cards for best performance at high ressolutions in games.

In conclusion, even though your V3 PCI would fit better in SS7 system with a 500MHz K6-2 CPU, the CPU is just too slow for a smooth gameplay for most games up to year 2000 (k6-2 @ 500 is equivalent to 333-350MHz PII), I would strongly advise you to build upon a motherboard based on a 440BX chipset and use at least GF2 MX card.

Reply 8 of 9, by weldum

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well i had my v3 2000 on a p3 katmai 450mhz and it worked fine, but the cpu just felt a tad slow for my taste, so i've upgraded it to a duron morgan 1.2ghz and it was very good, obviously the voodoo was a bottleneck but didn't care much
then, that motherboard died (pcchips m820r with duron soldered) so i've got "downgraded" to a duron spitfire 950mhz. it doesn't feel as fast as the other duron (maybe the lack of SSE is to blame) but is way better than the base system.

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
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Reply 9 of 9, by Aebtdom

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Imho, I would say that a Athlon 800Mhz would be around the sweet spot for these cards. Or a P3 850Mhz. VD5 benefits from even a 1500mhz CPU, but the 3 doesn't have much to gain above those clockspeeds. 800 ish.

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P2 350mhz + Diamond Viper V550 + 3Dfx Voodoo 2 12MB + AWE64 + 128MB SDR @ msdos / win98.