FioGermi wrote on 2022-04-12, 22:15:

Whoa, what did i do to kick the beehive with both of you ;-; […]
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Whoa, what did i do to kick the beehive with both of you ;-;

I didn't say there isn't any reason to buy a V2, Banshee (which i forgot existed tbh. So that was my fault), or even a Voodoo 1. I was suggesting to op that I personally wouldn't recommend buying one of those if you want a "it just works" Voodoo card. Keyword "I". OP can take this thread and buy what he/she pleases. If that is a Banshee or V2 SLI, by all means that is awesome!

Regarding the whole Voodoo 2 being able to play Voodoo 1 stuff. Yeah, my bad. I forgot about that. Whiplash with the 3DFX patch is actually one of my favourite games and i don't believe that works on a Voodoo 3. If those games matter to you, get a Voodoo 2. Or maybe a Banshee. I think some V1 games can be hacked to play on that. I'm evidently not 100%

Gmlb256 wrote on 2022-04-12, 21:37:

Don't even do the mistake (like FioGermi did with Voodoo3) of saying that it is a dumbed down Voodoo2 which isn't actually.

Friend, i never said the V3 was a dumbed down V2. I said a V3 2000 is on par with Voodoo 2 SLI performance (plus some, if you have one of the higher end models). That is not a dumbed down. That's actually really good performance if they could squeeze two cards into one.

No offense was taken -but I was looking for someone to run over! heh. (I kid!) It's a small disagreement and discussion.

I hate to see people discouraged from all the options these days, especially with the selection dwindling by the day. If one is looking for some kind of Voodoo card, keep all options open. There isn't a card "alive" which doesn't have some kind of quirk.

Cuttoon wrote on 2022-04-12, 16:39:

Honestly, if you have three voodoo cards, you should be buying none at all. The market is tight enough. Give others a chance without paying through their teeth 😉

Nonsense. I've got 8 Voodoo cards and it ain't enough 😉

Meatball wrote on 2022-04-12, 21:57:

I disagree with most of what FioGermi said. […]
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Gmlb256 wrote on 2022-04-12, 21:37:

Aebtdom wrote on 2022-04-12, 21:25:

Rush or banshee should be avoided in my opinion, same as the Velocity 100. The first is a 2/3d combo but slower then a vd1. 2nd […]
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Rush or banshee should be avoided in my opinion, same as the Velocity 100.
The first is a 2/3d combo but slower then a vd1.
2nd is a single texture voodoo 2 2/3d combo, so slower then a voodoo2,
third one is a single texture voodoo3 with less memory.

Among of these the Voodoo Banshee is useful despite having a single TMU. It has the advantage of using higher resolution than 800x600 without SLI and more memory available for textures.

Don't even do the mistake (like FioGermi did with Voodoo3) of saying that it is a dumbed down Voodoo2 which isn't actually.

I disagree with most of what FioGermi said.

1 - The Banshee is only slower than a Voodoo2 with multi-pass textures. For Single textures it can beat a single voodoo2 in single-pass. It's also less finicky than a voodoo 2 and no need for pass-through, of course.
2 - Velocity 100 is great. It's a Voodoo3 2000 just with RAM cut in-half. Registry tweak to enable 2nd TMU makes the cards exactly the same (less the RAM), otherwise, and basically equal performance. It's a great card to have and is cheaper than the Voodoo3's at current prices.
3 - Voodoo Rush is not as bad as everyone says. When it first came out, yes. But those days are long gone. It plays Turok at 800x600 and that's all that matters! Just don't use the latest drivers and downclock the Alliance Chip and good to go.

1- Exactly and what is the fun in having only 1 voodoo 2 card? And higher res like mentioned above than 800, is avoidable anyways due to poor performance anyways.

2- ebay prices are mostly the same some vd3 cards go for 80€. And you run in some texture memory problems with some games.

3- It actually is. And no it is not all that matters with turok.

Don't act like: All pre VSA 3dfx are good! Because 2 of them are budget and one of them is a space saving cut down voodoo 1 with mediocre dos 2d support.

Aebtdom wrote on 2022-04-13, 03:24:

1- Exactly and what is the fun in having only 1 voodoo 2 card? And higher res like mentioned above than 800, is avoidable anyways due to poor performance anyways.

For me a single Voodoo2 12 MB card is good enough for most pre-2000 stuff and never felt needing 1024x768 and beyond on it. Aside from that I agree with Meatball regarding the capabilities of the Voodoo Banshee.

2- ebay prices are mostly the same some vd3 cards go for 80€. And you run in some texture memory problems with some games.

You're more likely to run into texture problems with Voodoo2 than with Velocity 100, the way the texture memory is used on the Voodoo2 is up to 4MB per TMU (and SLI won't give you more to deal with texture thrashing). Later 3Dfx cards including the Voodoo Banshee doesn't have this kind of limitation.

Regarding prices if that's the case then it makes more sense to get the Voodoo3 though.

3- It actually is. And no it is not all that matters with turok.

I'm with you on this one. It is the slowest 3Dfx card and the chip used for 2D stuff aren't the best ones for DOS compatibility.

Voodoo Rush is the worst possible card you could buy, but with ludicrous price tag attached to it, due to 3dfx cult thing.

Meatball wrote on 2022-04-12, 21:57:

1 - The Banshee is only slower than a Voodoo2 with multi-pass textures. For Single textures it can beat a single voodoo2 in single-pass. [...]

Everybody keeps saying that, but do we actually know of any single-textured game where the Voodoo 2 struggles while the Banshee is a game changer?
Because I can name quite a few multi-textured games where the reverse is true (the Banshee really struggles, while the Voodoo 2 achieves very playable performance).

To me, the Banshee is only good in its PCI version, for Pentium MMX (non AGP) systems.
If the system I'm using has an AGP slot, then I don't even think about the Banshee anymore. The Voodoo 2, on the other hand, continues to be an awesome pair even for more powerful AGP cards, since it will also allow you to play most of the early Glide only games.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-04-13, 05:08:

Voodoo Rush is the worst possible card you could buy, but with ludicrous price tag attached to it, due to 3dfx cult thing.

I view it as one of those cards you need to complete a 3dfx collection but not one you really want to use.

A V3 3000 is probably the smartest choice and can be acquired relatively cheaply. That being said, I like the way games look on the Voodoo 2 and SLI is just cool. I'd suggest just setting up a notification for Voodoo on eBay or something and looking if something with a reasonable price pops up.

Unknown_K wrote:

I view it as one of those cards you need to complete a 3dfx collection but not one you really want to use.

In that case, don't forget about 3dfx Voodoo TV FM!

Alright so I decided to get Voodoo 3, maybe in the future Voodoo 2 12MB x2 so next question related to Voodoo, what AGP graphic card will be good? I own Nvidia FX5200, Radeon 9600 and Nvidia 7200GS. 😀

haker120 wrote on 2022-04-13, 07:33:

what AGP graphic card will be good? I own Nvidia FX5200, Radeon 7700 and Nvidia 7200GS. 😀

Assuming you want to use those cards with a Pentium 3 for Win98 gaming, then the answer is none of the above.

On such a system, you would get the best value for the money invested from a 128-bit GeForce4 MX440. If you want a bit more power than that, go for a GeForce4 Ti4200. That's more expensive though, and you'd still be CPU limited most of the time.

One last thing to note. While the FX5200 is slower than both of the cards that I suggested above, it does have very good image quality. The same cannot be said for the MX line of cards, where it varies by manufacturer.

It's Radeon 9600 AGP for Pentium 4 so I guess this one won't even fit to Piii system. 😁

As for GeForce 4 I heard these are not just expensive but have problems with Win9X drivers.

Anyway thanks for suggestions @Joseph_Joestar. 😀

haker120 wrote on 2022-04-13, 07:54:

As for GeForce 4 I heard these are not just expensive but have problems with Win9X drivers.

Expensive, kind of nowadays. Problems with Win9x drivers no.

You probably confused them with GeForce6 cards.

I had GeForce 3(?) and drivers for Win98 were just bad. 😁

Any picture what card from these GF4 TI? I have multiple choise on local market.

haker120 wrote on 2022-04-13, 07:59:

Any picture what card from these GF4 TI? I have multiple choise on local market.

I have one Ti4200 from MSI and another one from Gainward. Both work great and have excellent image quality.

Avoid manufacturers that had a bad reputation back in the day, like Albatron/Club3D/Innovision etc.

Ok, relatively in my budget.
Creative:

MSI:

Gainward:

Medion (me be confused 🤣):

Well, now question, which one will be the best?

Ranking the Ti4200 cards pictured there:

1. Leadtek
2. MSI
3. Medion

The Gainward card is an MX440 and is in a different (slower) league.

So the one from second picture? I thought it's MSI (as seller said).

haker120 wrote on 2022-04-13, 08:29:

So the one from second picture? I thought it's MSI (as seller said).

Your seller might have some reading comprehension problems. It says Leadtek right there on the cooler assembly. 😁

Specifically, that seems to be a Leadtek WinFast A250 LE MyVIVO though the one in your picture is the 64 MB version. That's not a bad thing, as those models are clocked slightly higher.

Ok, as DirectX card I bought this one. 😁