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First post, by idan182

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Hi all
Which one would be better for this?

Pentium 3 733
*4X* AGP motherboard only
256mb ram
SB Audigy 2 ZS
Windows 98

I have some different cards.
A Voodoo 3 16mb, MX 440 64mb, Geforce 4 TI 4200 128mb, Geforce 5600 FX 128mb.
I know the Voodoo is a period correct but it's slow on newer games like Call of Duty 1.
Right now the P3 machine is working with the 5600FX 128MB I have, All the games play very nice (Call of Duty, Counter Strike 1.6/HL, Hitman 47, NFSU 2003, Silent Hill 2/3.
Far cry works on the lowest settings but I can't reach more than 15-19fps on open map.

The 5600 FX (128mb) has:
270MHZ Core clock
400MHZ RAMDAC Clock
550 effective memory clock

The Gefoce 4 TI 4200 (128mb) has:
250MHZ Core clock
350MHZ RAMDAC Clock
450 effective memory clock

What would you choose?

Reply 3 of 32, by RandomStranger

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Ti 4200
They are roughly equal and you'll be CPU limited either way, but you can use the GF4 with older drivers so it may perform better.

idan182 wrote on 2022-06-02, 11:39:

Far cry works on the lowest settings but I can't reach more than 15-19fps on open map.

Also because of the slow CPU.

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Reply 5 of 32, by Con 2 botones

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Maybe, by using de FX5600, you can turn 2X Antialiasing and 4X or 2X AF without much FPS penalty (that´s what I do) and balance the workload more towards the strong GPU instead of the "weak" CPU.

I am currently using an FX5600 on a 1.26 Tualatin system. I noticed the performance upgrade from the 128bit GFMX440 previously installed, in games like COD. But I tend to think it is a card that is being "wasted" on a PentiumIII, that it could serve better in an Athlon XP 2500+, for instance.
I also own a (Medion branded) GF4 4200ti, but I am afraid to use it regurlarly since they are getting hard to find and expensive. I am not sure you can do that (turning AA and AF on) with the 4200ti and get a similar result.

Reply 6 of 32, by appiah4

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If you don't want to be CPU bottlenecked find a 1GHz+ P3 and use the FX 5600, otherwise the Ti 4200 will be more compatible with games and only marginally slower if at all.

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Reply 7 of 32, by Standard Def Steve

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Ti4200 is like the *perfect* Win98 card, and faster than the vanilla FX5600 to boot! Definitely use that one.

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Reply 8 of 32, by AlexZ

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I would definitely use FX5600 and swap in a PIII 1Ghz or 900Mhz depending on what your board supports. FX5600 with 45.x driver is quite compatible. I would keep Ti4200 as a backup in case FX5600 fails one day.

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Reply 9 of 32, by Rikintosh

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I did this research recently. Ti4200 in practice is a little slower than the 5600. But in some scenarios, the ti4200 does better. Every FX series is not very good, if you are willing, I would recommend a GF 6200 NV43. It has great power consumption, generates little heat, and is a good investment if you want to play with transforming it into a GF 6600. Of course, it's a bit much for a Pentium 3, but in practice, the pentium 3's companion it would be a GF2 or GF3...

A little overclocking with good ventilation, your GF4200 can turn into a GF 4600. Also, for Win9x, your best option would be GF4.

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Reply 10 of 32, by chrismeyer6

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Rikintosh wrote on 2022-06-02, 20:43:

I did this research recently. Ti4200 in practice is a little slower than the 5600. But in some scenarios, the ti4200 does better. Every FX series is not very good, if you are willing, I would recommend a GF 6200 NV43. It has great power consumption, generates little heat, and is a good investment if you want to play with transforming it into a GF 6600. Of course, it's a bit much for a Pentium 3, but in practice, the pentium 3's companion it would be a GF2 or GF3...

A little overclocking with good ventilation, your GF4200 can turn into a GF 4600. Also, for Win9x, your best option would be GF4.

Only very early 6200s can be unlocked into a 6600. Later 6200s had their extra pipelines laser cut and weren't unlockable. I have 5 or 6 6200s and only 1 of them could have their pipelines unlocked.

Reply 11 of 32, by Rikintosh

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chrismeyer6 wrote on 2022-06-02, 21:51:
Rikintosh wrote on 2022-06-02, 20:43:

I did this research recently. Ti4200 in practice is a little slower than the 5600. But in some scenarios, the ti4200 does better. Every FX series is not very good, if you are willing, I would recommend a GF 6200 NV43. It has great power consumption, generates little heat, and is a good investment if you want to play with transforming it into a GF 6600. Of course, it's a bit much for a Pentium 3, but in practice, the pentium 3's companion it would be a GF2 or GF3...

A little overclocking with good ventilation, your GF4200 can turn into a GF 4600. Also, for Win9x, your best option would be GF4.

Only very early 6200s can be unlocked into a 6600. Later 6200s had their extra pipelines laser cut and weren't unlockable. I have 5 or 6 6200s and only 1 of them could have their pipelines unlocked.

yes, that's why I specified NV43, NV44 models onwards, can't do the mod anymore. But even so, it's still a good alternative, a 6200 has a performance close to that of an FX5700, sometimes superior and sometimes a little inferior. The interesting thing is just to keep in mind to use 128bit models, not turbocache.

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Reply 12 of 32, by chrismeyer6

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Rikintosh wrote on 2022-06-02, 22:15:
chrismeyer6 wrote on 2022-06-02, 21:51:
Rikintosh wrote on 2022-06-02, 20:43:

I did this research recently. Ti4200 in practice is a little slower than the 5600. But in some scenarios, the ti4200 does better. Every FX series is not very good, if you are willing, I would recommend a GF 6200 NV43. It has great power consumption, generates little heat, and is a good investment if you want to play with transforming it into a GF 6600. Of course, it's a bit much for a Pentium 3, but in practice, the pentium 3's companion it would be a GF2 or GF3...

A little overclocking with good ventilation, your GF4200 can turn into a GF 4600. Also, for Win9x, your best option would be GF4.

Only very early 6200s can be unlocked into a 6600. Later 6200s had their extra pipelines laser cut and weren't unlockable. I have 5 or 6 6200s and only 1 of them could have their pipelines unlocked.

yes, that's why I specified NV43, NV44 models onwards, can't do the mod anymore. But even so, it's still a good alternative, a 6200 has a performance close to that of an FX5700, sometimes superior and sometimes a little inferior. The interesting thing is just to keep in mind to use 128bit models, not turbocache.

I have 4 NV43 based ones and only 1 of them could be unlocked. While nv44 can not be uocked at all it's not foolproof on nv43 some can and some can't.

Reply 13 of 32, by Rikintosh

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chrismeyer6 wrote on 2022-06-02, 23:13:
Rikintosh wrote on 2022-06-02, 22:15:
chrismeyer6 wrote on 2022-06-02, 21:51:

Only very early 6200s can be unlocked into a 6600. Later 6200s had their extra pipelines laser cut and weren't unlockable. I have 5 or 6 6200s and only 1 of them could have their pipelines unlocked.

yes, that's why I specified NV43, NV44 models onwards, can't do the mod anymore. But even so, it's still a good alternative, a 6200 has a performance close to that of an FX5700, sometimes superior and sometimes a little inferior. The interesting thing is just to keep in mind to use 128bit models, not turbocache.

I have 4 NV43 based ones and only 1 of them could be unlocked. While nv44 can not be uocked at all it's not foolproof on nv43 some can and some can't.

All NV43A's use the same die as the 6600, they are 6600's that failed some factory test and had their pipes disabled. I don't know if there was an NV43B, but every NV43 I've had, I've been able to enable pipelines. Some gave me artifact problems as they were really defective.

I remember something similar happening with AMD processors from the Phenon era, which turned into Athlon, I used a modified bios that enabled additional cores.

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Reply 14 of 32, by chrismeyer6

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It was just those two cards back in the day I did it to quite a few 6200s for friends. The only thing I can think of is they were actually nv44 cores but we're recognized incorrectly by Rivatuner. They two that wouldn't unlock we're both xfx cards not sure if that means anything or not. I should try and find them and pull the coolers off and make sure they are actually NV43

Reply 15 of 32, by Rikintosh

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chrismeyer6 wrote on 2022-06-03, 00:55:

It was just those two cards back in the day I did it to quite a few 6200s for friends. The only thing I can think of is they were actually nv44 cores but we're recognized incorrectly by Rivatuner. They two that wouldn't unlock we're both xfx cards not sure if that means anything or not. I should try and find them and pull the coolers off and make sure they are actually NV43

Yup. Around here in my country, there were even counterfeit models that were NV44 "transformed" into NV43 (they sanded the die, and printed a barcode label with model NV43), the NV43 came to cost more too. In fact, even today, they cost more around here.

I had an NV43 of my use until 3 or 4 years ago, I sold it when I managed to get a HD3870 and a 4650 AGP

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Reply 16 of 32, by AlexZ

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I would not recommend GeForce 6200 at all as it requires less compatible driver 66.94. The last driver I can recommend for Win 98 rigs is 45.23. See https://www.philscomputerlab.com/nvidia-9x-gr … cs-drivers.html for what graphics cards it supports. FX5600, FX5800, FX5900, Quadro FX 3000 are all recommended. For PIII 1Ghz anything higher than FX5600 is a waste of its potential. The latter FX cards are best with Athlon XP or P4.

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Reply 17 of 32, by kitten.may.cry

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AlexZ wrote on 2022-06-03, 16:59:

I would not recommend GeForce 6200 at all as it requires less compatible driver 66.94. The last driver I can recommend for Win 98 rigs is 45.23. See https://www.philscomputerlab.com/nvidia-9x-gr … cs-drivers.html for what graphics cards it supports. FX5600, FX5800, FX5900, Quadro FX 3000 are all recommended. For PIII 1Ghz anything higher than FX5600 is a waste of its potential. The latter FX cards are best with Athlon XP or P4.

He didn't get the memo.

Reply 18 of 32, by Rikintosh

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I was referring to the issue of video cards (no operating system relevance). As I said, for Win9x the best choice is still GF4. Every nvidia FX line was a mistake.

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Reply 19 of 32, by Jasin Natael

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I would use the Voodoo 3 in this PC, and built a second PC--Athlon XP or A64 ( I don't do P4's unless there is no choice) and use the Geforce 4 or (shudder) the FX in that system.