done, behaves same way(
menu have hall of mirrors , background

Pah!

Once again:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!As-dKk-N73dSmDfT5-syDoFTPIAB?e=fzpO4r
MD5: 85957e3658ac38903256dd9c247f775d

Delete all previous redline.dll and verite.dll and R1dline.dll and V1rite.dll files in the Formula 1 foplder.

Copy the new Redline and verite dll and the Formula 1 microcode into the Formula 1 folder. The Rendition driver redline.dll and verite.dll files should be in the system32 folder.

This version forcibly loads the microcode from the F1 redline drivers. My investigation into DOS/Speedy3D support now indicates the microcode decides what low level signals (via interrupt flags) get sent back to the apps for Speedy3D and RRedline 2.0 for Formula 1. RReady deals with a lot of different games as a special cases so the microcode probably doesn't affect it. These signals can cause the Verite chip to stall.

Logging is enabled, sorry.

BTW @Chucky, you were absolutely right, microcode plays an outsized role in this thing. It's going to complicate Speedy3D support for RReady.

microcode , especially in dos a spd3d.uc its like glide2x.ovl for 3dfx i think? the right microcode can show graphics glitchless?
there is somewhere i saw full collection of those *.uc files.
And i still believe that with right UC microcode games like Descent II , Scorched Planet can be played without magenta/pink tint on v2000.
And other dos games.

As for Formula 1, now it closes instantly after black little window blink once, once i ran, 1 frame.

110:51:13.880 Redline loaded system\redline.DLL library
210:51:13.880 Redline.dll local verite path G:\PROGRAM FILES\FORMULA13\Verite.dll
310:51:13.880 Redline.dll successfully load system\Verite.dll library
410:51:13.880 No IndirectSRC
510:51:13.880 VL_OpenVerite_
610:51:13.880 V_EnumVeriteBoards
710:51:13.880 Callng base function
810:51:13.880 V_CreateVerite
910:51:13.880 G:\PROGRAM FILES\FORMULA13\WINSPD3D.UC
1010:51:13.880 DllMain Process Detach

12024/03/10 10:51:13.880 Started logging
2
3Forced refresh rate is 60
4(local) Redline.DLL G:\PROGRAM FILES\FORMULA13\redline.dll
5Successfully loaded library (local) Redline.DLL
6Successfully loaded all library functions (Verite.DLL)Loaded system\Verite.dll library

RaVeN-05 wrote on 2024-03-12, 09:12:

microcode , especially in dos a spd3d.uc its like glide2x.ovl for 3dfx i think? the right microcode can show graphics glitchless […]
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microcode , especially in dos a spd3d.uc its like glide2x.ovl for 3dfx i think? the right microcode can show graphics glitchless?
there is somewhere i saw full collection of those *.uc files.
And i still believe that with right UC microcode games like Descent II , Scorched Planet can be played without magenta/pink tint on v2000.
And other dos games.

As for Formula 1, now it closes instantly after black little window blink once, once i ran, 1 frame.

You're right. The microcode can control what signals are sent back to the CPU. Not just that, it can modify VRAM, registers perform compute ops and has a full set of branching instructions. Among it's best features are locking up, if the uc writer's careless.

There're two different levels of microcode V1000 and V2000. A V2000 chip can run V1000 microcode if it's switched over to "V1000 compatibility" mode. Don't know how to do that yet.

Some V1000 instructions used for updating state are illegal on the V2000. I *think* the V2000 automatically updates these registers and doesn't need manual writes during rendering (some ops lock certain actions for a number of cycles. Not all instructions, just some).

I don't get why RRedline 2.0 chcoked on RRedline 1.0 uc. The drivers should be able to switch to V1000 mode somehow. Might be the wrapper.

And now this:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!As-dKk-N73dSmDiE-Mg_0uDd0aDl?e=QBq7EW
MD5: 4837db47e682e08f04322d34c62353c7

The docs for:

1v_error V_CreateVerite(v_u32 board, HWND hwnd, v_handle *pvhandle,
2char *microcodefile)

1board	Number of Vérité board to use
2hwnd	Window handle of the application
3pvhandle	Pointer to Vérité handle to be initialized
4microcodefile	Name of Vérité microcode file to load

say microcodefile isn't a path, but a name. I was passing a path. So this time around I'm passing the just the filename and not the path.

It's possible it'll look for the microcode in system32. If this doesn't work, I'll get you a different build using a different microcode file (with a different name) , which you'll have to bung in the system32 folder, but not in this build.

https://fex.net/s/lfrvox8

video, going to blck screen with some artifact pixels

One more, different microcode file (V10003D.UC). I think I got the WInspd3d.uc. I think this is what's needed:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!As-dKk-N73dSmDkAfnTtjTkc1SP6?e=SqgZ3d
MD5: 0de26691589cc516ef4c2f2b7fe9f028

I think this is the UC file used by the V1000 for 3D. There also V10002D and V1000GL (OpenGL perhaps?).

[EDIT] I just hope it's not a Direct3D file.

https://fex.net/s/lllzope

Progress! First 3d demo scene appeared glitchy and hangs actually crashes to desktop after i pressed esc
logs on fex also as videos

Woohoo!

It's painful watching slow mo videos. It must be worse for you actualy trying this stuff out.

[EDIT] Well done, all your testing has paid off or will soon. But I must admit feeling stupid. Chucky was going on about the firmware and I should've really tried this before. This is much simpler, if it works, than all the other stuff I tried.[/EDIT[

https://1drv.ms/u/s!As-dKk-N73dSmDtff_UC6F6_BKZg?e=96ga0K
MD5: 9b56a9aa10b410ce7f976104a3e7be21

This uses the V20003D.UC file. If it doesn't find it, just copy it from system32 and pasted it into the Formula 1 folder. I think it just needed the UC file to be specified.

Logging has been disabled, mostly. It can be sped up in other ways. There're a lot of unnecessary checks in there.

113:48:36.960 Redline loaded system\redline.DLL library
213:48:37.010 Redline.dll local verite path G:\PROGRAM FILES\FORMULA13\Verite.dll
313:48:37.010 Redline.dll successfully load system\Verite.dll library
413:48:37.010 No IndirectSRC
513:48:37.010 V20003D.UC

regress, no 3d scene
https://fex.net/s/5tnxdre

RaVeN-05 wrote on 2024-03-12, 12:07:

regress, no 3d scene https://fex.net/s/5tnxdre […]
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113:48:36.960 Redline loaded system\redline.DLL library
213:48:37.010 Redline.dll local verite path G:\PROGRAM FILES\FORMULA13\Verite.dll
313:48:37.010 Redline.dll successfully load system\Verite.dll library
413:48:37.010 No IndirectSRC
513:48:37.010 V20003D.UC

regress, no 3d scene
https://fex.net/s/5tnxdre

Try copying V20003D.UC from system32 to the formula 1 folder.

And here's a logging free V1000 version:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!As-dKk-N73dSmDxZ3hXzsS92Xnt8?e=cUoeaE
MD5: 18392c7b5f285bcba3801f4992414554

If you can't find V20003D.UC try this file:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!As-dKk-N73dSmD1YJbhfEedj0I-m?e=T48vS2
MD5: 14d244c2f6e1ac8f08050e9800b9b227

Copy it into the F1 folder.

i found and placed v20003d.uc does nothing. same results

with v1000 debugless version oh wow.
YOU Genie)
its success!!!

114:12:13.870 Redline loaded system\redline.DLL library
214:12:13.870 Redline.dll local verite path G:\PROGRAM FILES\FORMULA13\Verite.dll
314:12:13.870 Redline.dll successfully load system\Verite.dll library
414:12:13.870 No IndirectSRC
514:12:13.930 V10003D.UC

video https://fex.net/s/vfzof6z

the demo ends and menu works, the next demo loaded also, works.

EDIT: your v20003d.uc different to what i have

A bigger whohoo!

Well done.

I think that's from the hercules thriller 3D.

[edit] v10003d. Ucis s from F1 drivers.

I'll clean up the code and remove unnecessary bits and publish the source, maybe on sourceforge.

The cleanup should make it a teeny weeny bit faster.

sharangad wrote on 2024-03-12, 13:06:

I'll clean up the code and remove unnecessary bits and publish the source, maybe on sourceforge.

The cleanup should make it a teeny weeny bit faster.

Tomorrow.