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First post, by Mamba

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Recently my project was to build a P-III system capable of h264 HD playback and it was relatively simple.
All I had to do was to find the right video player that take advantage of hd3xxx gpu properly.
At the end of the day it was mpc-be and nothing else.
Cpu usage was around 20 to 30% (no audio) and I was happy.

Now I embarked in this crazy project of using a k6-III+. OS is xp sp2.
Now mpc-be requires SSE to work.
Plus there are limitations on video cards I can use.
But for 2D and OpenGL only, I can use a 6200 (so purevideo can be used).
For ATI I will be stuck at R300, if lucky, otherwise I have to stay with a 9250 (R200), so AVIVO in some form.

Is there a player that can properly take advantage of the extended 3DNow I have, ignoring the lack of sse? Or a combination of player + codecs ?
Could be a player tailored for early AMD Athlon (they had no SSE).
(Mplayer was a no go)

Last edited by Mamba on 2024-04-12, 06:28. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 1 of 9, by marxveix

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I have used P-III and ATi Radeon HD2400 with XBMCBuntu and 1080p h264 media files + bluray disks over hdmi, it was smooth as butter (video+audio) and it worked with Windows XP as well, also Nvidia Geforce 7600GT can playback h264 @ 1080p with hardware support.K6 can playback dvd and divx/xvid codec very well, i did run big bug bunny h264 720p with Win9x, it did run, just without extra videocard support and it was slideshow.

After Pentium 3 Tualatin - HD Playback Machine i used these two AMD PC for my Media Playback.

HTPC-K7Mobile (Madbox 12.04 / XBMC Frodo 12.3)
AMD Geode NX 1750+/Mobile Athlon XP 1600+ 1.4GHz (Max 25w)
Arctic Cooling Copper Silent 3 (Copper Lite)
AsRock K7S41GX socket A Rev v1.04 (Halt@Idle enabled bios)
Hynix 1x1GB DDR PC3200 CL3
Seagate Momentus 5400.3 ST9160821A 160GB 5400RPM 8MB ATA100 2.5"
Club 3D AMD/ATi HD3450 512MB DDR2
Integrated 5.1CH C-Media CMI9739A
Hitachi/LG Slim GSA-T40N 8x DVD±RW DL
300W Fortron FSP300-50GMN 80+
Coolermaster N200 MATX

HTPC-K8Mobile (Kodibuntu 14.04.1 LTS 64bit / Jarvis v16.1)
AMD Turion 64 Mobile 1800MHz/512Kb (Max 24W)
K8 CoolerMaster Hiper MC (ECC-00126-01)
CoolerMaster Fan 70x70@5v (+WEN93626)
Asrock K8NF4G-VSTA (Socket 754)
Apacer 1x1GB DDR PC3200 CL3
Corsair Force LS SSD 60GB (CSSD-F60GBLSB)
MSI GeForce GT 720 1GB DDR3 Fanless Edition (Max 19W)
Integrated 7.1 CH ALC883 Audio (DTS-HD-MA, Dolby TrueHD)
Samsung Slim Blu-ray Writer SN-506BB (+Lindy 40513,33608)
Akasa 3,5" Memory Card Reader + USB 2.0 (AK-ICR-03USB)
350W Fortron FSP350-60EGN 90+ 80 PLUS® Gold (+24pin->20pin)
White MATX case

Last edited by marxveix on 2024-04-10, 13:20. Edited 1 time in total.

31 different MiniGL/OpenGL Win9x files for all Rage 3 cards: Re: ATi RagePro OpenGL files

Reply 2 of 9, by Mamba

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marxveix wrote on 2024-04-10, 13:06:
I have used P-III and ATi Radeon HD2400 with XBMCBuntu and 1080p h264 media files + bluray disks over hdmi, it was smooth as but […]
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I have used P-III and ATi Radeon HD2400 with XBMCBuntu and 1080p h264 media files + bluray disks over hdmi, it was smooth as butter (video+audio) and it worked with Windows, also Nvidia Geforce 7600GT can playback h264 @ 1080p very well.

Win9x and NT should be supported, i used it with Win98se.
I have used mpf with this mplayer version (3dnow support).
https://www.upload.ee/files/16506586/mplayer-k6.zip.html

K6 can playback dvd and divx/xvid codec very well, i did run big bug bunny h264 720p with Win9x, it did run, just without extra videocard support and it was slideshow.

Thanks but P-III has SSE, K6 don’t.
That is why I am asking.
I am trying not to see a slideshow, that is why I am asking for a video player tailored for 3Dnow also and not ONLY SSE.

Not sure what to say about your post, thanks, but it is not helping much.

Reply 3 of 9, by RetroGamer4Ever

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Anything media-related that was optimized for 3DNow! or used it in any capacity likely had the code removed years ago and moved on with regular SSE/MMX, as 3DNow! never caught on and was mostly used for experimental stuff in gaming and media and was gone by the Windows XP days, whereas MMX/SSE stuck around.

Reply 4 of 9, by marxveix

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I have posted you mplayer with gui that has 3dnow support, i see it should support Windows NT OS as well (like XP is), H264 DXVA videocard support maybe missing from it and you need it for all slow and old cpus, without it, it will be slideshow for h264 1080p, did you try it out?

https://www.upload.ee/files/16506586/mplayer-k6.zip.html

31 different MiniGL/OpenGL Win9x files for all Rage 3 cards: Re: ATi RagePro OpenGL files

Reply 5 of 9, by rasz_pl

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Mamba wrote on 2024-04-10, 06:18:

(Mplayer was a no go)

mplayer is a go, but you have to compile it yourself with appropriate flags
you could also try mpv

Open Source AT&T Globalyst/NCR/FIC 486-GAC-2 proprietary Cache Module reproduction

Reply 6 of 9, by Mamba

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marxveix wrote on 2024-04-10, 13:37:

I have posted you mplayer with gui that has 3dnow support, i see it should support Windows NT OS as well (like XP is), H264 DXVA videocard support maybe missing from it and you need it for all slow and old cpus, without it, it will be slideshow for h264 1080p, did you try it out?

https://www.upload.ee/files/16506586/mplayer-k6.zip.html

It is full of bloatware…

Reply 7 of 9, by darry

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A mini PCIE card based on the Broadcom BCM970012 or BCM970015 decoder card might be an option

-if it can work through a PCIE to PCI bridge
-if its drivers do not require SSE
-if you don't consider this "cheating" somehow
- if you can find one at a good price

Reply 8 of 9, by Mamba

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darry wrote on 2024-04-11, 13:46:
A mini PCIE card based on the Broadcom BCM970012 or BCM970015 decoder card might be an option […]
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A mini PCIE card based on the Broadcom BCM970012 or BCM970015 decoder card might be an option

-if it can work through a PCIE to PCI bridge
-if its drivers do not require SSE
-if you don't consider this "cheating" somehow
- if you can find one at a good price

Already tried, it won’t work on any SS7 motherboard I have (even pci 2.2 mvp4). PC freezes.
It starts to work from S370 motherboards.Dunno why.

Reply 9 of 9, by swaaye

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I'm pretty sure if you dig up an old enough version you can find a Media Player Classic that doesn't require SSE. I used it on a K6-3 in the early 2000s.

K-Lite Codec Pack 3.45 supports Win98. Maybe it has DXVA-HD support.

Will the video drivers allow H.264 acceleration without even SSE1 though....