And for yet another Problematic Windows Game .......
-a racing one, nonetheless....-

NHRA Pro-Stock Cars & Trucks (aka "NHRA Pro-Stock Drag Racing". Motorsims, 2001) which crashes back to the desktop on them latest versions of Windows due to some CRAPPY implementation of the deprecated Racepak plug in.

It looks like this:

EDIT: Hot Rod: Garage To Glory (Canopy Games/Valusoft, 2004) runs quite poorly on Windows 10 thorough DXWnd; Whereas on DgVooDoo it crashes back to the desktop rather immediately. #JustTested

Anyone else tried the GOG version of SpeedBusters? I'm still experiencing random crashes with it even after upgrading my graphic card and drivers.

filipetolhuizen wrote on 2024-01-15, 03:17:

Anyone else tried the GOG version of SpeedBusters? I'm still experiencing random crashes with it even after upgrading my graphic card and drivers.

I don't think a 1999 game will benefit from graphic card driver update.

Probably it lies down to the game mainly. Although I use a 60fps cap with 2 core affinity and dgVoodoo2 for better gameplay.

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2024-01-15, 04:54:

filipetolhuizen wrote on 2024-01-15, 03:17:

Anyone else tried the GOG version of SpeedBusters? I'm still experiencing random crashes with it even after upgrading my graphic card and drivers.

I don't think a 1999 game will benefit from graphic card driver update.

Probably it lies down to the game mainly. Although I use a 60fps cap with 2 core affinity and dgVoodoo2 for better gameplay.

On my previous card I tried dgvoodoo2 and single proc affinity. Neither stopped the crashing. Oddly enough there's one car, the Cortex, that allows me to finish a race while all the others make the game to randomly crash.

Ok, now that I tried dgvoodoo2 with the internal fps limiter I'm having another issue. I'm able to finish a race, but at the ending of it, as soon as the camera is switched to drive by, the game minimizes and when I try to restore the window, same crash happens. Any way that I could avoid the game from minimizing its window?

filipetolhuizen wrote on 2024-01-17, 04:21:

Ok, now that I tried dgvoodoo2 with the internal fps limiter I'm having another issue. I'm able to finish a race, but at the ending of it, as soon as the camera is switched to drive by, the game minimizes and when I try to restore the window, same crash happens. Any way that I could avoid the game from minimizing its window?

I got the minimise window issue in yet another Ubisoft game, probably it was F1 Racing Simulation where the game would just minimise instead of "Quit". I didn't get a solution to it so far, it looks more like a platform-specific-programming-bug. Did you find anything related to it in the GOG forums (this bug should be more common I guess)

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2024-01-17, 05:39:

filipetolhuizen wrote on 2024-01-17, 04:21:

Ok, now that I tried dgvoodoo2 with the internal fps limiter I'm having another issue. I'm able to finish a race, but at the ending of it, as soon as the camera is switched to drive by, the game minimizes and when I try to restore the window, same crash happens. Any way that I could avoid the game from minimizing its window?

I got the minimise window issue in yet another Ubisoft game, probably it was F1 Racing Simulation where the game would just minimise instead of "Quit". I didn't get a solution to it so far, it looks more like a platform-specific-programming-bug. Did you find anything related to it in the GOG forums (this bug should be more common I guess)

Only for much newer titles, so nothing would apply to Speed Busters.

@HunterZ @DosFreak (the editor)

I am a little lost about the criteria of the list. @HunterZ specifically is judging by how his NATIVE system behaves? If that's the case, the list has to be MUCH, MUCH LONGER. In 2024 (or even in 2020) you wouldn't expect an application to run unhampered-by-Windows, be it the app startup, or the DirectX part, or the core audio, or other base Windows APIs. Something that shield the app from such is needed, such as DxWnd, along with other correction from graphics side offered by DDC/dgVoodoo2/dxwrapper...

Looking at the list myself and based on what I tested, the ONLY game that UNIVERSALLY is problematic is the first game only, AMBER JB. NFS SE COULD also qualify considering the difficulty, and specific stuff your computer "shouldn't have" to run the program.

Vietcong, MW2 Titanium, MW3, FF7, TTD, SimCity2k, Rune, Martin Mystere Operation Dorian Gray, Incoming, I76, Jane's IAF, USAF, HG2, Diskworld Noir, Descent 3, Black Dahlia, Blade Runner were other things I tested that worked, so they are NOT universally problematic.

(and since this thread lies at the top, for everybody to see, learn and judge, I believe the data should be correct, or at least more specific)

HunterZ wrote on 2020-01-19, 20:30:

Cool. Come over to my house and get Shogo working reliably on my Windows 10 gaming laptop!

Could be irrelevant 4 yrs later but see this is the problem. Shogo MAD runs natively on my Win11 machine, no wrapper even needed as here:

The only problem I with it is the extra menu bar and the game losing the menu elements when trying to change res/color depth etc + if you consider the laggy performance. The former gets solved using the ForceSimpleWindow tweak and the latter two gets solved by DxWnd so everything turns out fine. There is blurry text in the cutscenes due to ClearType. Yet another issue could be the "small sized game screen" which is due to Windows Program Compatibility Assistant shenanigans, deleting those keys will fix the issue if it happens. So there is no clear line on what is problematic.

I had an issue with retail Speed Busters until I did something involving installing the patch for cockpit view then replacing the game exe with older one or something, I forget. I've got it on my PC at the mo, should have a look 😁

My full list of games I never quite got working on Windows 10 properly (updating as I fix them 😀

Castrol Honda Superbike World Champions - doesn't work
Extreme Sprint 3010 - crashes
Jetboat Superchamps 2 - not working
Kayak Extreme - not working
Knight Rider - does nothing
Ferrari Virtual Academy 2K10 - server removed, so no longer playable
MotoGP '07 - crowds flicker like crazy
The Real Car Simulator R - wasn't able to install Toyota pack, but running a dodgy copy, probably a fixed one out there
RaceRoom The Game 1 & 2 - server removed, so no longer playable (these were small games before RaceRoom Racing Experience
S40 Racing - broken, repeating, stuttering sound
Sega Worldwide Soccer PC - Direct3D version can be coaxed to work in-game, but menus are black
Superbike 2001 - slow and hardly works (might be better now, should retry!)
Super Taxi Driver (crashes)

FIXED:
Baku Baku Animal - broken colours = FIXED (next page)
Evil Kneival - no bike or scenery = FIXED (next page)
Tomcat Alley - 16bit app so needs virtual machine = FIXED (next page)
Viper Racing - sound crackles = FIXED (next page)

p.s. the sound in S40 Racing I'd really like solved; tried using Creative ALchemy even (as I've got a compatible sound card) but then there's no sound at all! In VMWare Player the sound plays but stutters and the frame rate is pretty awful.

VirtuaIceMan wrote on 2024-01-29, 20:45:

I had an issue with retail Speed Busters until I did something involving installing the patch for cockpit view then replacing th […]
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I had an issue with retail Speed Busters until I did something involving installing the patch for cockpit view then replacing the game exe with older one or something, I forget. I've got it on my PC at the mo, should have a look 😁

My full list of games I never quite got working on Windows 10 properly:

Baku Baku Animal - broken colours (probably fixeable, will hunt for a solution when I cover it on YouTube)
Castrol Honda Superbike World Champions - doesn't work
Evil Kneival - no bike or scenery
Extreme Sprint 3010 - crashes
Jetboat Superchamps 2 - not working
Kayak Extreme - not working
Knight Rider - does nothing
Ferrari Virtual Academy 2K10 - server removed, so no longer playable
MotoGP '07 - crowds flicker like crazy
The Real Car Simulator R - wasn't able to install Toyota pack, but running a dodgy copy, probably a fixed one out there
RaceRoom The Game 1 & 2 - server removed, so no longer playable (these were small games before RaceRoom Racing Experience
S40 Racing - broken, repeating, stuttering sound
Sega Worldwide Soccer PC - Direct3D version can be coaxed to work in-game, but menus are black
Superbike 2001 - slow and hardly works (might be better now, should retry!)
Super Taxi Driver (crashes)
Tomcat Alley - 16bit app so needs virtual machine
Viper Racing - sound crackles

Probably Baku Baku works
https://sourceforge.net/p/dxwnd/discussion/ge … ead/3fce5bf56e/

I think Viper Racing worked fine for me in Win11 as well. Superbike 2k01 doesn't, heap issue. I played another Castrol Honda game but don't recall which one

VirtuaIceMan wrote on 2024-01-29, 20:45:

Viper Racing - sound crackles

The patches here fixed that for me in XP/10.

Flashback wrote on 2024-01-30, 08:40:

VirtuaIceMan wrote on 2024-01-29, 20:45:

Viper Racing - sound crackles

The patches here fixed that for me in XP/10.

Thanks, that's one off my list 😀

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2024-01-30, 05:03:

Probably Baku Baku works https://sourceforge.net/p/dxwnd/discussion/ge … ead/3fce5bf56e/ […]
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VirtuaIceMan wrote on 2024-01-29, 20:45:

I had an issue with retail Speed Busters until I did something involving installing the patch for cockpit view then replacing th […]
Show full quote

I had an issue with retail Speed Busters until I did something involving installing the patch for cockpit view then replacing the game exe with older one or something, I forget. I've got it on my PC at the mo, should have a look 😁

My full list of games I never quite got working on Windows 10 properly:

Baku Baku Animal - broken colours (probably fixeable, will hunt for a solution when I cover it on YouTube)
Castrol Honda Superbike World Champions - doesn't work
Evil Kneival - no bike or scenery
Extreme Sprint 3010 - crashes
Jetboat Superchamps 2 - not working
Kayak Extreme - not working
Knight Rider - does nothing
Ferrari Virtual Academy 2K10 - server removed, so no longer playable
MotoGP '07 - crowds flicker like crazy
The Real Car Simulator R - wasn't able to install Toyota pack, but running a dodgy copy, probably a fixed one out there
RaceRoom The Game 1 & 2 - server removed, so no longer playable (these were small games before RaceRoom Racing Experience
S40 Racing - broken, repeating, stuttering sound
Sega Worldwide Soccer PC - Direct3D version can be coaxed to work in-game, but menus are black
Superbike 2001 - slow and hardly works (might be better now, should retry!)
Super Taxi Driver (crashes)
Tomcat Alley - 16bit app so needs virtual machine
Viper Racing - sound crackles

Probably Baku Baku works
https://sourceforge.net/p/dxwnd/discussion/ge … ead/3fce5bf56e/

I think Viper Racing worked fine for me in Win11 as well. Superbike 2k01 doesn't, heap issue. I played another Castrol Honda game but don't recall which one

Did you see the baku baku soln

Finally got BAKU working but with the latest dxwnd and the dxw file from https://sourceforge.net/p/dxwnd/discussion/ge … 81aebbca0/#98e3

This might be an approach to run old 16bit apps like Tomcat Alley on Windows 10 64bit (and 11 potentially) https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/modern … it/ba-p/1671418

It allowed me to install Tomcat Alley but the game itself wouldn't work (error in the emulator).

VirtuaIceMan wrote on 2024-01-30, 22:32:

This might be an approach to run old 16bit apps like Tomcat Alley on Windows 10 64bit (and 11 potentially) https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/modern … it/ba-p/1671418

It allowed me to install Tomcat Alley but the game itself wouldn't work (error in the emulator).

Otvdm was never meant for gaming anyway.

VirtuaIceMan wrote on 2024-01-30, 22:32:

It allowed me to install Tomcat Alley but the game itself wouldn't work (error in the emulator).

If you press continue at the error then the game starts and plays fine.

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2024-01-31, 10:57:

Otvdm was never meant for gaming anyway.

Sure it is.

crazyc wrote on 2024-01-31, 16:47:

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2024-01-31, 10:57:

Otvdm was never meant for gaming anyway.

Sure it is.

I mean it can render graphics but there's still much to be desired. As far as I experienced, many privileged instructions handling is unimplemented, I recently made a thread on the otvdm issue on that with WinDirect.

Although I don't know what the game needs that OP asked for

(Some Win16 demos had issues, but for those I have to check if it used any graphics-accelerator-specific functions)

BEEN_Nath_58 wrote on 2024-01-31, 17:22:

I mean it can render graphics but there's still much to be desired. As far as I experienced, many privileged instructions handling is unimplemented, I recently made a thread on the otvdm issue on that with WinDirect.

Sure, stuff that bypasses Windows and hits the hardware directly if going to be problematic but that stuff mostly doesn't work at all on ntvdm. The thing that you posted is a test program so it's not really high priority like a real game would be (only games use this stuff). Anyway https://github.com/otya128/winevdm/pull/1368 fixes the crash at start for tomcat alley.