I believe I was able to resolve the speed issue on an overpowered win98 socket 775 system (pentium e5800) by just messing around with some game options but I forget what I did.

very interesting, thanks for sharing!

Xenphor wrote on 2020-06-30, 16:30:

I believe I was able to resolve the speed issue on an overpowered win98 socket 775 system (pentium e5800) by just messing around with some game options but I forget what I did.

I believe you changed the frame control to "None", for some reason that didn't work for me in Win98. Maybe it also depends on the monitor as it seems to limit the game to the refresh rate.
On windows XP and newer it works, though.

gaffa2002 wrote on 2020-06-30, 17:51:

Xenphor wrote on 2020-06-30, 16:30:

I believe I was able to resolve the speed issue on an overpowered win98 socket 775 system (pentium e5800) by just messing around with some game options but I forget what I did.

I believe you changed the frame control to "None", for some reason that didn't work for me in Win98. Maybe it also depends on the monitor as it seems to limit the game to the refresh rate.
On windows XP and newer it works, though.

Yeah it was some kind of vsync type of setting. I probably then changed the refresh rate of my monitor to 60.

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but for some reason, the patcher will not work. I've tried everything you can think of, even trying to run the patcher through a VM. I followed the instructions perfectly. Any tips?

SumioSquirrel wrote on 2020-08-19, 12:58:

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but for some reason, the patcher will not work. I've tried everything you can think of, even trying to run the patcher through a VM. I followed the instructions perfectly. Any tips?

Yes, the BATCH file the OP created doesn't work in any modern Windows OS. I suspect he used someone else's tools to make his file and just assumed his batch command would work without testing it. It might be possible to patch the file on a VM running Windows 95. I wasted an hour carefully converting the videos and improving the quality, then found that the patches would require a ridiculous amount of time to install, if they ever worked at all. Seriously, if I have to install an entire OS in virtual machine to do something like this, warn me ahead of time. 🤣.

Electric_Lizard wrote on 2021-04-07, 23:43:

Yes, the BATCH file the OP created doesn't work in any modern Windows OS. I suspect he used someone else's tools to make his file and just assumed his batch command would work without testing it.

Huh? The batch file is one line:

1BSPATCH LB.EXE LB_PATCHED.EXE LB_PATCH

bspatch appears to be https://www.romhacking.net/utilities/929/ . What happens when you try to run it under modern Windows? It looks like there's another build available at https://github.com/zhuyie/bsdiff/tree/master/Release .

Jorpho wrote on 2021-04-08, 02:58:

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Electric_Lizard wrote on 2021-04-07, 23:43:

Yes, the BATCH file the OP created doesn't work in any modern Windows OS. I suspect he used someone else's tools to make his file and just assumed his batch command would work without testing it.

Huh? The batch file is one line:

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1BSPATCH LB.EXE LB_PATCHED.EXE LB_PATCH

bspatch appears to be https://www.romhacking.net/utilities/929/ . What happens when you try to run it under modern Windows? It looks like there's another build available at https://github.com/zhuyie/bsdiff/tree/master/Release .

Yes, by changing .bat to .txt you can see the command is just a list. It does nothing. (Edit: It does apply the old 1990s No-CD crack, but NOT with the patch tool he provided. However, that doesn't solve the problem he's pretending he solved.) That is a red flag indicating we are dealing with a time waster.

However, Windows 9X is a completely different kernel than Windows XP/7/8/10. The actual patches themselves could hypothetically work in Windows 95/98, even if they do nothing in NTFS-based Windows. In Windows 98, normally you just move the patch icon over the file and it automatically patches it. There is no reason for a bat file. That is how I managed to patch a few other Sega games. Edit: No reason to do this. The patch he's providing doesn't do what he says it does. It only patches the game for MP3 music and No-CD. WMV videos still crash in NTFS-based Windows.

However, this is NOT the first time I've run across someone who claimed to fix the problem with the videos in Last Bronx. Usually the person is just hitting start to enter the game before the video plays and doesn't realize the videos are still crashing the game and that their "custom patch" does absolutely nothing. Edit: AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE.

So, definitely NOT enough incentive to load a 23 year old OS into a virtual machine to play around with these files. I'd wager there is about zero chance this works.

Jorpho wrote on 2021-04-08, 02:58:

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Electric_Lizard wrote on 2021-04-07, 23:43:

Yes, the BATCH file the OP created doesn't work in any modern Windows OS. I suspect he used someone else's tools to make his file and just assumed his batch command would work without testing it.

Huh? The batch file is one line:

Copy code to clipboard

1BSPATCH LB.EXE LB_PATCHED.EXE LB_PATCH

bspatch appears to be https://www.romhacking.net/utilities/929/ . What happens when you try to run it under modern Windows? It looks like there's another build available at https://github.com/zhuyie/bsdiff/tree/master/Release .

Okay, with the new file you provided, the BAT file actually executes and creates an LB_PATCHED.EXE, but it still crashes when the video starts (even when renamed to LB.EXE). Which is what I figured. This guy was playing this on his Windows 98 box and just erroneously assumed it would work the same way in NTFS Windows.

🤣. OKay, yeah. That really fixed this problem for everyone. /S

Okay, what this guy's patch actually does is (1) apply the old 1990s no-cd crack and (2) patch the game to play ripped MP3 music. However, it absolutely DOES NOT add FMVs back to the game. This has to be around the sixth time I've seen someone claim to fix this in the last 15years.

I don't know if the guy is a troll or if he just didn't realize that playing the game on a Windows 98 box is not going to be the same as playing it on modern NTFS-baseed Windows.

@electric_lizard

MOD warning:
Your attitude towards the OP by calling him a joker, timewaster and posting that large negative thumbs down image (now deleted) is against the community standards here on Vogons.

Think before you post, the OP is trying to help with the patch being created free of charge for the community. Be constructive, show good conduct and have good faith in other people's work/participation.

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@electric_lizard

MOD warning:
Your attitude towards the OP by calling him a joker, timewaster and posting that large negative thumbs down image (now deleted) is against the community standards here on Vogons.

Think before you post, the OP is trying to help with the patch being created free of charge for the community. Be constructive, show good conduct and have good faith in other people's work/participation.

I apologize. I lost my temper because I've been down this rabbit hole with this particular game several times over the years. I appreciate that the OP is trying to fix the issue.

Electric_Lizard wrote on 2021-04-08, 10:15:

Yes, by changing .bat to .txt you can see the command is just a list.

That... makes it like pretty much every other .bat file in existence? You can also drag and drop it onto a notepad window, also like any other .bat file.

Electric_Lizard wrote on 2021-04-08, 10:31:

Okay, what this guy's patch actually does is (1) apply the old 1990s no-cd crack and (2) patch the game to play ripped MP3 music. However, it absolutely DOES NOT add FMVs back to the game.

Did you read the post..?

the game AVI files present in MOVIE folder must be converted to wmv format and to 640x480 resolution so they can show in full screen (I made the convertion by using Microsoft's own Movie Maker).

Is that what you did? I can see you wrote "WMV videos still crash in NTFS-based Windows", so how exactly did you make your WMVs? Do they still play in Media Player after you converted them?

I might add that there are several different versions of the WMV codec and it would be useful to know which version was used by the OP. It is by no means inconceivable that some versions of WMV might work and that other versions might not.

(Also I think you mean NT-based Windows, not "NTFS-based Windows".)

Hello, "this guy" here

I see that are some doubts to address, so let's go:
- The game and patch was tried under Windows 7 64 bits. Not in Windows 98 (why should I? the FMVs work there)
-Didn't use any kind of virtual machine
- My patch changes the game to attempt to open OPENING.WMV, JOE.WMV... etc instead of OPENING.AVI, JOE.AVI, etc... Aside from adding NO-CD and MP3 patches made by other people
- I didn't use the AVI files that came with the game, I got the ones from the Saturn CD-ROM, opened them in Windows Movie Maker and converted to WMV
-For the codecs, I guess I just downloaded the k-lite-codec-pack-full-15-5-6 as it contained the specific codec required for the saturn videos (Duck Truemotion I believe)
-Also installed _inmm238 for the music files to work
-The game must be set to execute in Windows 98 compatibility mode, otherwise it will crash (but for a different reason which I cannot remember, had to debug the game at the time to find out)
-I haven't tested on Windows 10, so that may be the problem

Anyway, there was no need to hurt my feelings like that 🙁

Thanks for checking in.

gaffa2002 wrote on 2021-04-08, 19:05:

-For the codecs, I guess I just downloaded the k-lite-codec-pack-full-15-5-6 as it contained the specific codec required for the saturn videos (Duck Truemotion I believe)

My question was specifically what settings you used when you saved the videos in Windows Movie Maker. Does Movie Maker let you select different versions of the WMV codec?

Jorpho wrote on 2021-04-08, 21:05:

Thanks for checking in.

gaffa2002 wrote on 2021-04-08, 19:05:

-For the codecs, I guess I just downloaded the k-lite-codec-pack-full-15-5-6 as it contained the specific codec required for the saturn videos (Duck Truemotion I believe)

My question was specifically what settings you used when you saved the videos in Windows Movie Maker. Does Movie Maker let you select different versions of the WMV codec?

Don't remember exactly, but there weren't many options available to select. I'm attaching one of the wmv files, maybe it can help.

Can someone upload LB_PATCHED.EXE? For me bspatch not working.

ATIMKOS wrote on 2021-05-06, 21:09:

Can someone upload LB_PATCHED.EXE? For me bspatch not working.

Did you read the posts in this thread at all? I linked to a newer version of bspatch.

Jorpho wrote on 2021-05-07, 01:07:

ATIMKOS wrote on 2021-05-06, 21:09:

Can someone upload LB_PATCHED.EXE? For me bspatch not working.

Did you read the posts in this thread at all? I linked to a newer version of bspatch.

Yes, but now LB_PATCHED.EXE not working with my windows (win 10 pro)

ATIMKOS wrote on 2021-05-07, 14:16:

Yes, but now LB_PATCHED.EXE not working with my windows (win 10 pro)

Why don't you describe what the problem is? Are you getting an error message? Did you instal _inmm.dll , like it says in the first post?