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First post, by kneedragger37

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OK, finally got a new motherboard for my P-100 project (first one didn't work out so hot). It's a Supermicro P55CM -- 430FX chipset, 512 onboard pipeline burst cache, and here's the rub -- soldered-on 3.6V 60mAh CMOS battery, dead as a doornail. There is, however, a 4-pin battery header on the board.

Anybody have any idea as to what kind of battery would connect to that header? Short of that, any advice on soldering on motherboards would be helpful, as I'm considering just replacing the soldered-on battery.

Finally, if anyone can tell me where to get a manual for this board, that would be great as there's about 20 jumpers on here that I have no CLUE what they do....

Thanks!!!

Reply 2 of 21, by jthieme

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Something like this should work for you:

http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdeta … ?productID=1746

Edit - No manual but I did find some info on the jumper settings:

SUPERMICRO

P55CMA, P55CMS (REV. 2.0)

Processor Pentium
Processor Speed 75/90/100/120/133/150/166MHz
Chip Set Intel
Video Chip Set None
Maximum Onboard 128MB (EDO supported)
Memory
Maximum Video Memory None
Cache 256/512KB
BIOS AMI
Dimensions 330mm x 218mm
I/O Options PS/2 mouse port, parallel port, serial ports (2),
32-bit PCI slots (4), floppy drive interface, IDE
interfaces (2), cache slot, VRM connector, Legacy
connector, IR connector
NPU Options None

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CONNECTIONS

Purpose Location Purpose Location

VRM connector J1 External battery JP30

Chassis fan power J18 Turbo LED JP32

Power LED & keylock J32 IR connector JP68

IDE interface LED J34 Serial port 2 JS1

Reset switch J35 Serial port 1 JS2

Speaker J39 Parallel port JS3

IDE interface 1 J70 Floppy drive JS4
interface

IDE interface 2 J71 32-bit PCI slots PC1 - PC4

Legacy connector J85 Cache slot SL1

PS/2 mouse port J96

Note: J18 may not be present on all boards.

USER CONFIGURABLE SETTINGS

Function Label Position

» Factory configured - do not J28 Closed
alter

» Factory configured - do not J37 Pins 1 & 2 closed
alter

» Factory configured - do not J41 Unidentified
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» CMOS memory normal operation J42 Pins 1 & 2 closed

CMOS memory clear J42 Pins 2 & 3 closed

» Factory configured - do not J43 Open
alter

» ISA CLCK = PCI CLCK/4 J67 Pins 2 & 3 closed

ISA CLCK = PCI CLCK/3 J67 Pins 1 & 2 closed

DRAM CONFIGURATION

Size Bank 0 Bank 1

8MB (2) 1M x 32 None

16MB (2) 2M x 32 None

16MB (2) 1M x 32 (2) 1M x 32

24MB (2) 1M x 32 (2) 2M x 32

32MB (2) 4M x 32 None

32MB (2) 2M x 32 (2) 2M x 32

40MB (2) 1M x 32 (2) 4M x 32

48MB (2) 2M x 32 (2) 4M x 32

64MB (2) 8M x 32 None

64MB (2) 4M x 32 (2) 4M x 32

72MB (2) 1M x 32 (2) 8M x 32

80MB (2) 2M x 32 (2) 8M x 32

96MB (2) 4M x 32 (2) 8M x 32

128MB (2) 8M x 32 (2) 8M x 32

Note: Board accepts EDO memory.

CACHE CONFIGURATION

Size SL1

256KB 256KB module installed

512KB 512KB module installed

CPU SPEED SELECTION

Speed J27 J29 J31 J40

75MHz Open Closed Closed Open

90MHz Open Closed Open Open

100MHz Open Open Closed Open

120MHz Closed Closed Open Open

133MHz Closed Open Closed Open

150MHz Closed Open Closed Closed

166MHz Closed Open Closed Closed

CPU VOLTAGE SELECTION

Voltage JP11

3.3v Pins 2 & 3 closed

3.4v Open

3.5v Pins 1 & 2 closed

Reply 3 of 21, by kneedragger37

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OK, so I head down to my friendly neighborhood Micro Center, pick up a new 3.6v CMOS battery, and plug it into the battery header of my Supermicro P55CM, which has a soldered-on NiCd that is quite dead. I flip on the machine, and I still see the "CMOS battery low" message as soon as I start up, and the BIOS is not retaining my settings.

I tested the new battery and it's putting out between 3.66 and 3.68 volts depending on the tester.

Any ideas on why the battery header might not be working?

Thanks in advance....

Reply 4 of 21, by h-a-l-9000

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You better remove the NiCd battery or it will sooner or later kill your board (stuff coming out). (Or did it already?) Maybe that also solves your problem. Did you test the battery while it was connected to the board? Did you switch on your computer a second time?

1+1=10

Reply 6 of 21, by kneedragger37

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HAL, the old NiCd had a little bit of white corrosion on one end, but nothing terrible -- I clipped it off and brushed off what little of the corrosion dust had reached the board -- is it possible the corrosion could make it so the board won't recognize any battery anymore? Even one that attaches to a different header???

Reply 8 of 21, by h-a-l-9000

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Did you save the CMOS settings and switch the computer off and on? The battery bad bit was still set on your first attempt. If there aren't any corroded tracks it shouldn't be too bad - but make sure there is none of the stuff left on the board.

1+1=10

Reply 9 of 21, by kneedragger37

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jthieme, the board header has a "+" sign on one end, where I connected the red wire. I'd only reverse it after I'd exhausted other options.

HAL, I connected the battery, turned the computer on and off and saved CMOS settings in almost every possible configuration. I then tried using the clear CMOS jumper for about 30 minutes then tried again, still no change. On the motherboard, there are no tracks that look badly messed up. I suppose it's possible that there's just enough corrosion to block the signal, but I'm trying every other option before I scrap the board -- it's a great board and I'd like to save it if possible.

Reply 11 of 21, by Zup

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Check the J42 jumper. It may be in the wrong position, or missing.

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Reply 12 of 21, by kneedragger37

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HAL, the only jumper settings I have to go on are the ones in the text file posted above. I have no manual and Supermicro doesn't have any either (their tech support guy is very nice, but so far hasn't had any helpful info for me). There are quite a few "factory configured / do not alter" jumpers -- not sure I want to go experimenting with them, though.

Zup, J42 is positioned for "normal cmos operation." I did change it to clear the cmos settings, hoping that it would correct the problem. No such luck.

Reply 17 of 21, by kneedragger37

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HAL -- tested with the battery connected -- 3.68v

jthieme -- that's not my board -- same problem, but WAY more corrosion on that battery than on mine.

Reply 19 of 21, by kneedragger37

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jthieme, I should say that is not my exact board. That is my make and model of board. However, the corrosion on that battery is all over the battery, contacts, and has even spread over to the adjacent screw hole. I don't have anywhere near that amount of corrosion on mine.