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First post, by Tempest

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The title says it all, should I get a MT-32 or CM-32L for my DOS gaming needs? I know Lucas Arts made use of the extra sound effects in the CM-32L, but I've also heard that some Sierra games won't sound right unless they're played on an early revision MT-32 due to some bug in the firmware.

Suggestions?

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Reply 1 of 12, by keropi

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CM32-L that has the extra SFX like a LAPC-I , if I remember correctly that is 😀

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Reply 2 of 12, by Dominus

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Ultima Underworld also makes use of extra sfx. Personally I have a CM-64 (and a MT-32), same features and runs great. The great thing about the MT-32 is the display which the runner ups didn't have 😀

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Reply 3 of 12, by MusicallyInspired

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I prefer the MT-32 as the CM-series don't get the sounds quite right. At least my CM-500 doesn't sound exactly the same as my MT-32. And I know tat others' don't as well. The vibratos are annoyingly too fast and a few other small details get in the way. If you want true unadulterated full MT-32 game compatibility I'd say go with an MT-32. Unless you want the sound effects for the games that support it, of course. Or if you just don't care about such meaningless small details like I do 😀.

The frontal LCD display is also a treat to see all the messages that the musicians hide in there sometimes.

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Reply 4 of 12, by Tempest

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Don't the older MT-32 modules have a buffer overflow problem on Pentium speed machines? Is there a way to fix this? The new MT-32's are apperently impossible to find.

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Reply 5 of 12, by MusicallyInspired

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Oh right. Yeah, the only way to fix that is to control the speed somehow in which it's transferred. If you're using it on an older computer there's no problem. If you're using a newer computer there's DOSBox which makes everything right with the world speed-wise. If you're playing in real DOS mode on a Pentium and it's too fast, however, you'd have to have a slowdown utility.

I guess that's the one thing the CM-series LA synths has going for it.

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Reply 6 of 12, by Tempest

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Define 'older' and 'newer'. I'd be using a P-180 which isn't exactly new. Or are you talking about 386/486 'older'.

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Reply 7 of 12, by Great Hierophant

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Old means 286/386, thats the speed some of these games were programmed for. Some games will not transfer correctly to the MT-32 at any speed because they were programmed for the CM-32L, which is not very sensitive to speed issues.

Reply 8 of 12, by MusicallyInspired

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What Great Hierophant said.

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Reply 9 of 12, by Great Hierophant

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MusicallyInspired wrote:

I prefer the MT-32 as the CM-series don't get the sounds quite right. At least my CM-500 doesn't sound exactly the same as my MT-32. And I know tat others' don't as well. The vibratos are annoyingly too fast and a few other small details get in the way. If you want true unadulterated full MT-32 game compatibility I'd say go with an MT-32. Unless you want the sound effects for the games that support it, of course. Or if you just don't care about such meaningless small details like I do 😀.

The frontal LCD display is also a treat to see all the messages that the musicians hide in there sometimes.

While I hate to disagree with someone who just seconded what I say, this statement is overbroad. It is true that the CM-500, a third generation LA part, has some changes to its LA implementation that produces some changes in the way the music is played back. However, a CM-32L is musically identical to a late model MT-32, so the statement is objectively overbroad. The early model MT-32 and late model MT-32s have some minor differences. There are only three documented sound effects where the differences result in audible differences in the produced sound.

Reply 10 of 12, by MusicallyInspired

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My mistake. I was sure I heard samples from the MT-32, CM-500, and CM-32L that all had major differences in the output. At the very least I was sure that all the CM-series LA synths had the vibrato-on-steroids problem. Sorry about that.

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Reply 11 of 12, by Tempest

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So if I got a CM-32L or a second gen MT-32 I wouldn't get any of these problems? How about a CM-500?

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Reply 12 of 12, by Great Hierophant

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Tempest wrote:

So if I got a CM-32L or a second gen MT-32 I wouldn't get any of these problems? How about a CM-500?

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The buffer overflow problem does not exist on any of these units, but the CM-500 has the vibrato issue.