superfury wrote on 2022-10-15, 09:46:

Easy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_exte … _and_extinguish

It was20 years ago, at least. How is that "not too distant" ?

xcomcmdr wrote on 2022-10-15, 20:07:

superfury wrote on 2022-10-15, 09:46:

Easy:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_exte … _and_extinguish

It was20 years ago, at least. How is that "not too distant" ?

If you look at the "examples by microsoft" part of the article, I see:
- 2007 mentioned.
- Enforcing MAPI that's proprietary (2020).
- WSL2 is mentioned (which still probably performs EEE through it's DirectX components afaik today).

And DirectX is definitely proprietary (confirmed by looking at https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-ports-direc … tes-wsl-kernel/ , which clearly requires Windows to run). So that's the second E of EEE right there.

WSL2 uses a real Linux kernel and HyperV, no relation to DirectX...

xcomcmdr wrote on 2022-10-16, 13:28:

WSL2 uses a real Linux kernel and HyperV, no relation to DirectX...

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-heart-linux/

Still nothing to do with EEE, since Linux is entirely distributed and open-source...

xcomcmdr wrote on 2022-10-16, 14:15:

Still nothing to do with EEE, since Linux is entirely distributed and open-source...

Well, D3D isn't. It provides the .so which links back to the Windows (closed-source) OS.
Is that even allowed with Linux licenses (GPLv2)? Or does that fall into the binary -blob-that-needs-to-be-updated-for-every -linux-kernel-release category that's allowed (and will break when updating kernels)?
That's pretty clearly already the second E(extend) of EEE.

It's allowed by the GPLv2, just like the blob for the nvidia linux kernel driver...

It also won't extend anything, it's not like you can use that on native Linux...

Thanks. But once I do that, I then have to go through Windows Defender scanning it, finding a "virus", and swiftly disposing of the program.

Then open windows defender, chose to restore the files from quarantine and add to the exclution list. so that it leaves it alone.
Alternatively, disable Windows defender during download, unpack .zip file and add unpack directory to the exclusion list before reenabling Windows Defender.
The installer script then tries to add the loaders to the exclusion list itself, but first, it's mandatory that the files remain in place, so that they can be installed, of course.

Microsoft is notorious for not even add the loader to their false positive list, when they are requested to do so and I cannot write them everytime I make a loader update. So nothing I can do about the false positive detection of crappy AV-programs.

xcomcmdr wrote on 2022-10-16, 15:29:

It's allowed by the GPLv2, just like the blob for the nvidia linux kernel driver...

It also won't extend anything, it's not like you can use that on native Linux...

First off, my apologies for not replying to you earlier, I totally missed your reply.

Second, that's precisely the point. You can only use it on WSL2, hence the EEE claim.