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First post, by FIN_K89i

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hello i want to setup a IBM XT on PCem because i want to run on MS-DOS 3.30 whit windows 1.01 i have create a machine whit 8088/4.77 512kb of ram green monochrome EGA no soud a 251mb drive (sectors:63 heads:16 cylinder:511) 2 5.25 360k floppy disks 2 button serial mouse no network card so i have this problem i cant setup the HDD i go to fdisk on ms-dos 3.30 end it say no disk i havent find a setup.exe file so i dont know how to install also where i can find programs for this machine like some games for early windows on 5.25 360k disk

Reply 1 of 3, by Jo22

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Hi, you have to handle things like with the real hardware of the time.
You can either a) select an MFM/RLL controller in PCem and run the low-level formatting routine of the fixed-disk controller.
DEBUG can be used for this (https://retrocmp.de/ctrl/llf/llf.htm).
After that, FDISK can be run normally.
Or try route b) and select XT IDE. It has an auto-detect feature and you just have to run FDISK.

Please keep in mind though that PC-DOS 3.3 has a 32MB partition limit, because it does merely support the original FAT16 (+FAT12), not FAT16B.

So you have to use several partitions in order to use all the capacity.
Or you have to resort to one of those ancient utilities that make DOS 3 format bigger fixed-disks. I'm just a layman here, though. 😅

Compaq DOS 3.31 supports normal FAT16B, as we know it.

Alternatively, use DOS 4.x. It's bigger, but from the late 80s still.
MS-DOS 5 or 6.x should work fine on an XT, too. It's just less retro.

Good luck! 😃

PS: Windows 1.x and 2.x need SETVER if run on MS-DOS 5 or higher.
It should be installed by default, though.

PS/2: PC-DOS 3.x used SELECT utility as a kind of setup program, I think.
Anyway, manual installation isn't hard.
Just run FDISK and then FORMAT C: /S
The /S switch is same as SYS C:
Then copy the filey to C: or a sub directory (DOS).

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In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." - The Minstrel

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Reply 2 of 3, by FIN_K89i

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Jo22 wrote on 2024-01-31, 20:44:
Hi, you have to handle things like with the real hardware of the time. You can either a) select an MFM/RLL controller in PCem an […]
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Hi, you have to handle things like with the real hardware of the time.
You can either a) select an MFM/RLL controller in PCem and run the low-level formatting routine of the fixed-disk controller.
DEBUG can be used for this (https://retrocmp.de/ctrl/llf/llf.htm).
After that, FDISK can be run normally.
Or try route b) and select XT IDE. It has an auto-detect feature and you just have to run FDISK.

Please keep in mind though that PC-DOS 3.3 has a 32MB partition limit, because it does merely support the original FAT16 (+FAT12), not FAT16B.

So you have to use several partitions in order to use all the capacity.
Or you have to resort to one of those ancient utilities that make DOS 3 format bigger fixed-disks. I'm just a layman here, though. 😅

Compaq DOS 3.31 supports normal FAT16B, as we know it.

Alternatively, use DOS 4.x. It's bigger, but from the late 80s still.
MS-DOS 5 or 6.x should work fine on an XT, too. It's just less retro.

Good luck! 😃

PS: Windows 1.x and 2.x need SETVER if run on MS-DOS 5 or higher.
It should be installed by default, though.

PS/2: PC-DOS 3.x used SELECT utility as a kind of setup program, I think.
Anyway, manual installation isn't hard.
Just run FDISK and then FORMAT C: /S
The /S switch is same as SYS C:
Then copy the filey to C: or a sub directory (DOS).

also how i move a file on ms-dos 3.30 to another directory?

Reply 3 of 3, by Jo22

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FIN_K89i wrote on 2024-01-31, 21:48:

also how i move a file on ms-dos 3.30 to another directory?

Hi, the command is called MOVE, but it wasn't available in older versions of DOS.
Instead, files must be copied/deleted.

However, file managers like Norton Commander had a move feature (F6 key).
XTree was also popular at the time.

The easiest thing is to use WinImage and and inject Norton Commander or a clone into the DOS floppy image (or a fresh, blank floppy that you can then use in the other emulated floppy drive).
Versions 1 and 2 were quite small, for example.

Alternatively, you can open the HDD image with WinImage directly (WinImage 6 worked for me, the current version seems a bit buggy).
If its in IMG or VHD format, WinImage should be able to open it (if it's FAT formatted).

"Time, it seems, doesn't flow. For some it's fast, for some it's slow.
In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." - The Minstrel

//My video channel//