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First post, by tauro

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Hi everybody.

I recently started to do some tests with this PCI Banshee but I became very worried about its temperature.

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It's puny original heatsink

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So I looked and and I looked for a better heatsink, and in a strike of luck, I tried the stock Intel socket 370 heatsink and... it fits perfectly!

The problem now is, how to mount it? There's very little space and no mounting holes. My strategy is to use a weak epoxy on the four external corners, while on the center I use a high end thermal paste. It's a method I used on other hardware and while it's not hard to remove afterwards, it keeps the heatsink in place, even this big one. I don't think there's any way to fit a bigger heatsink with all these caps and ICs around it, so this might be as good as it gets.

This is the end product

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As you can see I also added a small heatsink on the MOSFET, which gets uncomfortably hot too.

So... what about the temps now?

They aren't great. I'm measuring them with a thermistor on the other side of the PCB, right on the other side where the GPU is. The max temperature it reaches is about 60°C/140°F, but mostly stays slightly below at 58°C/137°F. If one measures the temperature on the heatsink side, it's much lower.

It now takes two PCI slots...

I added a small fan (in series with 5 diodes, and it's still too noisy for my taste) the temperature stays below 45°C but now it takes 3 PCI slots. With a 90mm fan it would have taken 4 slots...

The MOSFET reaches around 55°C/131°F, and it stays about there. While it would be better to lower its temperature, at less than 60°C it's well within the specifications (-65 to 175°C) Full datasheet.

What do you think about these temps? Is 60°C/140°F good enough for a Banshee? I couldn't find a TCASE value for the chip. Should I also go with the fan and lose 3 PCI slots? Is there a better alternative? I don't dare to imagine what the original temps were with that original heatsink... has anybody ever measured them?

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Reply 1 of 6, by Doornkaat

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That's a Gainward Dragon 4000. The origial cooler is active with a fan.
http://www.tdfx.de/ger/dragon_4000.shtml
The replacement heatsink that was mounted to the card when you got it appears to still have threads from previously having a fan mounted to it. I would guess the original fan failed or got too noisy and somebody replaced it with a diy HSF combo.

From experience 60°C is fine for a card of this generation. It's enough to get some airflow going in the case.

Reply 2 of 6, by tauro

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Doornkaat wrote on 2023-01-12, 06:45:

That's a Gainward Dragon 4000. The origial heatsink has got an active fan.
http://www.tdfx.de/ger/dragon_4000.shtml

Thanks for sharing that info! I tried to find more about this model but I couldn't. I never heard of Gainward before.

Doornkaat wrote on 2023-01-12, 06:45:

The replacement heatsink that was mounted to the card when you got it appears to still have threads from previously having a fan mounted to it. I would guess the original fan failed or got too noisy and somebody replaced it with a diy HSF combo.

I bought this card many years ago, and I have a hazy memory of it not being in the best shape when I got it. It's a pity I don't have the original fan, but as you said, it probably wasn't great either. I noticed the uncommon fan header and I'm using it with the fan I added (with some modifications, it's not the typical 3 or 4 pin fan header).

Doornkaat wrote on 2023-01-12, 06:45:

From experience 60°C is fine for a card of this generation. It's enough to get some airflow going in the case.

Nice! Passive cooling is preferred since I try to make silent builds.

It'd be great if somebody had a datasheet of the Banshee chip with the exact max temperature.
I found this document with lots of technical information about this chip, but there's nothing about its physical properties.
Here's another document, with yet more info about registers.

There should be an official datasheet somewhere that describes the physical characteristics of the chip, but personal experiences are sometimes far more important than datasheets.

Reply 3 of 6, by tauro

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I still can't find the datasheet but here's a report from a guy that says that a Voodoo2 at full load reaches 85.4°C. While it's not the same chip as the Banshee it gives an idea of what it could tolerate.

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Any more experiences and measurements?

Reply 4 of 6, by chinny22

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I took readings of my V2 SLI setup while ago just to get something of a reference
Voodoo 2 Temperatures

Banshee's run notoriously hot yet your in the same ballpark as what my V2's were reaching at load so your probably ok.

Reply 5 of 6, by tauro

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Thank you very much for that reference. I'll do more measurements the way you did and post them later.

Now I'm also changing the thermal paste on a Voodoo3 and the heatsink has this kind of thermal conductivity thing attached to it. I think it's useless now but I'm not sure.
Shall I remove it? It doesn't look pretty.

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Reply 6 of 6, by Doornkaat

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tauro wrote on 2023-01-17, 18:18:
Thank you very much for that reference. I'll do more measurements the way you did and post them later. […]
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Thank you very much for that reference. I'll do more measurements the way you did and post them later.

Now I'm also changing the thermal paste on a Voodoo3 and the heatsink has this kind of thermal conductivity thing attached to it. I think it's useless now but I'm not sure.
Shall I remove it? It doesn't look pretty.
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Yes, remove it and replace it with thermal paste. Decent paste is better than that foil anyway.👍