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First post, by fractal5

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Games like Dethkarz, Carmageddon 2, Starcraft; they cause the system to either freeze or instantly reboot.

This is a system with a Voodoo 2 card, I'm using the Fast 4.6 driver (fastv2-win9x-v46.zip). I've tried with both software and hardware acceleration for games that support this (Starcraft is software only).

Note: Some games work, e.g. Unreal and Need for Speed 2 SE using Glide (3dfx) acceleration both work. I can see the 3dfx logo in e.g. Carmageddon 2 and Dethkarz, the game starts up, gets to the menu screen, and then, it freezes instantly, or the system reboots. As this happens with both software and hardware rendering, it doesn't seem likely to be related to the Voodoo 2 card. Especially not considering the Voodoo 2 card performs well in the two aforementioned games.

The reason I'm using the FastVoodoo 2 4.6 driver is as follows:

I tried at first the latest official driver for the Voodoo 2 (30202). This works, I could run e.g. Unreal and Need for Speed 2 SE using hardware (Glide) acceleration, with DirectX 5. However, installing a later version of DirectX, caused the system to instantly reboot after logging in. I tried DX 9, 8, and 7a, they all have the same issue. Eventually I tried (I did this by installing in Safe Mode, which still boots) the FastVoodoo2 driver, which immediately solved the problem.

Reply 1 of 10, by Gmlb256

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What are the system specs where the Voodoo2 card installed?

I recommend using the official non-beta 3.03.00 driver, the last official one (3.02.02) that requires DX7 runtime installed as minimum has some regressions with D3D games and the FastVoodoo driver does overclock the card to 93 MHz by default.

Of the games you mentioned, StarCraft only uses the primary video card without 3D hardware acceleration.

VIA C3 Nehemiah 1.2A @ 1.46 GHz | ASUS P2-99 | 256 MB PC133 SDRAM | GeForce3 Ti 200 64 MB | Voodoo2 12 MB | SBLive! | AWE64 | SBPro2 | GUS

Reply 2 of 10, by fractal5

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Gmlb256 wrote on 2023-06-15, 20:46:

What are the system specs where the Voodoo2 card installed?

I recommend using the official non-beta 3.03.00 driver, the last official one (3.02.02) that requires DX7 runtime installed as minimum has some regressions with D3D games and the FastVoodoo driver does overclock the card to 93 MHz by default.

Of the games you mentioned, StarCraft only uses the primary video card without 3D hardware acceleration.

Where should I get the driver from?

Is this okay?

https://archive.org/details/voodoo3windows9xd … tversion3.03.00

Specifications are:

It is an AMD XP1600 with 512 MB of RAM, it has a Radeon 7000 (32 MB) PCI as the primary graphics card. Sound Blaster Live! (SB0220).

Reply 3 of 10, by Gmlb256

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fractal5 wrote on 2023-06-15, 22:54:

Where should I get the driver from?

Here: https://falconfly.vogonswiki.com/voodoo2.html

It is the one dated 18 Jun 1999.

Yes, it is the same one from the link that I put.

Specifications are:

It is an AMD XP1600 with 512 MB of RAM, it has a Radeon 7000 (32 MB) PCI as the primary graphics card. Sound Blaster Live! (SB0220).

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Since the CPU is an AMD Athlon XP, then what I said won't apply in your case as you will get troubles with any official Voodoo2 driver. 😐

Luckily, the same link has drivers that are compatible. Check the one that mentions "Athlon compatible Voodoo2 Driver" which is based on the 3.02.02 driver.

The Radeon 7000 shouldn't have issues with StarCraft, it must be an unrelated issue with the motherboard chipset.

VIA C3 Nehemiah 1.2A @ 1.46 GHz | ASUS P2-99 | 256 MB PC133 SDRAM | GeForce3 Ti 200 64 MB | Voodoo2 12 MB | SBLive! | AWE64 | SBPro2 | GUS

Reply 4 of 10, by fractal5

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Gmlb256 wrote on 2023-06-15, 23:19:
Here: https://falconfly.vogonswiki.com/voodoo2.html […]
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fractal5 wrote on 2023-06-15, 22:54:

Where should I get the driver from?

Here: https://falconfly.vogonswiki.com/voodoo2.html

It is the one dated 18 Jun 1999.

Yes, it is the same one from the link that I put.

Specifications are:

It is an AMD XP1600 with 512 MB of RAM, it has a Radeon 7000 (32 MB) PCI as the primary graphics card. Sound Blaster Live! (SB0220).

🤔

Since the CPU is an AMD Athlon XP, then what I said won't apply in your case as you will get troubles with any official Voodoo2 driver. 😐

Luckily, the same link has drivers that are compatible. Check the one that mentions "Athlon compatible Voodoo2 Driver" which is based on the 3.02.02 driver.

The Radeon 7000 shouldn't have issues with StarCraft, it must be an unrelated issue with the motherboard chipset.

Thanks for your help!

So I should really just get a different motherboard and CPU? Intel?

I'll try the Athlon compatible Voodoo 2 driver, but I agree, makes no sense that a software rendering based game has issues.

Reply 6 of 10, by fractal5

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I found the issue.

After reinstalling Windows 98, I noticed that Starcraft works, before installing the audio drivers. After installing the audio drivers (for my Sound Blaster Live! (SB0220)), it crashes like before.

I was using this driver: https://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php … driverid=648381

Not sure what I should use instead, I tried a slew of other drivers before I settled on that one. Wouldn't have believed this was the reason, considering audio does work, in other games!

Is this one recommended? http://vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=809&menustate=0

Reply 7 of 10, by Gmlb256

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fractal5 wrote on 2023-06-15, 23:51:
I found the issue. […]
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I found the issue.

After reinstalling Windows 98, I noticed that Starcraft works, before installing the audio drivers. After installing the audio drivers (for my Sound Blaster Live! (SB0220)), it crashes like before.

I was using this driver: https://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php … driverid=648381

Not sure what I should use instead, I tried a slew of other drivers before I settled on that one. Wouldn't have believed this was the reason, considering audio does work, in other games!

Is this one recommended? http://vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=809&menustate=0

Both links have the VxD drivers which are the most stable for Windows 98 but the WDM ones will be installed if done by normal means.

Phil has a detailed explanation on how to install the correct driver in his review of the SBLive!: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-HiLp5p820&t=300s. It assumes that you downloaded the one from the VOGONS driver library.

VIA C3 Nehemiah 1.2A @ 1.46 GHz | ASUS P2-99 | 256 MB PC133 SDRAM | GeForce3 Ti 200 64 MB | Voodoo2 12 MB | SBLive! | AWE64 | SBPro2 | GUS

Reply 8 of 10, by kolderman

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fractal5 wrote on 2023-06-15, 23:51:

I found the issue.

After reinstalling Windows 98, I noticed that Starcraft works, before installing the audio drivers. After installing the audio drivers (for my Sound Blaster Live! (SB0220))

Ah, the evil SB Live!.

Reply 9 of 10, by iraito

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It could be incompatible ram, faulty or just misbehaving pci port or bugged drivers, regarding the sb.

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Reply 10 of 10, by fractal5

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Thanks for the help, finally had some more time to finish up this.

What ended up working was the SB0220.7z archive and using the WDM mode for the driver.

For the Voodoo 2, it works well with the athlon-voodoo2.zip driver.

So I basically had two different driver issues. Now the system is very stable.