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RAM prices have gone insane

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Reply 1020 of 1030, by The Solutor

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ElectroSoldier wrote on Today, 18:07:

And this is where I leave the conversation.
Its not a political forum and I dont want it to be.

Aside that quoting me where I say I don't want to get deeper, in political discussions, as the excuse to leave the conversation, because you don't want to talk about politics is a bit odd, to say the best.

But aside that, do you think RAM prices aiming for the stars, is because the horoscope or whatever other reasons, or it's because politics?

Discussing about economics w/o bringing some politics in, is like discussing of aviation avoiding to talk about winds.

Reply 1021 of 1030, by wierd_w

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Not so much 'stop trying', as 'some ends are mutually exclusive.'

It is not *possible* to be highly educated and skilled *at everything*.

A complex society resolves this through producing knowledge experts: Experts at healthcare, at managing resources, at data processing, the list is endless as is the potential for the need.

The fundamental problem comes from this thought:

'Because *I* dont understand this thing [these so called experts are blithering on about, and saying NO to me over], it clearly *makes no sense whatsoever*, and should be discarded and ignored!'

It is very rarely expressed so ... curtly... but that is the foundational 'notion' behind populism, and its subsequent exploitation.

It itself, resolves from an internalized notion:

'Everyone is foundationally equal, and, given equal access, can achieve the same results and ends.'

It's a very *attractive* notion, and it is very hard to fault people for reaching for it, even subconsciously.

Especially since the extreme of its refutation is the basis for a VERY LARGE NUMBER OF SOCIETAL ILLS, like sexism and raceism, and that trying to embrace it as a 'black/white' ideology resulted in A GREAT MANY FAILED AND HARMFUL THINGS, like eugenics.

Rather than 'accepting that you'll never be as good as your leaders, never questioning their superior, august leadership, and accepting that you just suck', I'd tender this alternative, with a few sources to help substantiate them.

The notion that everyone starts 'equally capable' for 'any educational outcome', *is false*.

Humans *DO NOT* start 'tabula rasa.'
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41583-023-00763-0

It is not possible to predict which pattern biases any individual human will have at birth. As such, any such reflex notion is irresponsible at best, and nakedly evil at worst. (Race, gender, economic circumstance, religious affiliation, et al. NONE ARE DIAGNOSTIC)

This means that education needs to very carefully take stock of what innate qualities a student has, and not attempt to 'cookie cutter' them, no matter where they came from.

Likewise, it means that these innate biases can prevent high quality attainment for some areas of knowledge, skill, or dicipline. (This is not the same as 'never being able to understand', it means 'not being the very best', which is a vastly different thing.)

It is important to further point out, that 'scanning brains! Modern Phrenology GO!', *IS UNDESIRABLE, AND NOT A GOAL.* The 'demands'/'needs' of the society *have 0 correlation* with what any individual's rate of incidence of any trait is. Desirable, or not.

The only real indicator *is performance*. On AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL.

Because individuals are born with such growth potential biases, the ideal path for those individuals is the union of 'enjoyment/interest', and 'individual ability bias.'

That means that no matter how much some suit in congress complains about the 'glut of useless artists', (the cognate of the modern 'they got a useless degree!' Rhetoric) their argument is just useless posturing. Education on their actual strengths and enjoyment, will give you the finest if that feild. What the govt 'wants', does not factor.

Accepting this paradigm changes the statement to this, then:

'I am drawn to numbers and math. Nothing satisfies like discovering a new abstract problem, other than *solving* it. I dont *need* or *want* to be the best engineer, or doctor, or lawyer. My natural affinity makes me a better mathematician than they ever will be. Thier affinities, make them better engineers, doctors, or lawyers than I ever will be. I am better served by being given the means to be the best I am good at, and enjoy doing.'

Once you go there, it's much easier to trust that the objections to a policy you dont understand has real basis, even if you dont grasp it.

And more importantly, that voices screaming at you to 'trust your own judgement!' and 'Go against that advice!', tend toward being dangerous, self serving charlatans.

It's less about 'accepting inferiority', and more about understanding how 'being the best at something' comes at the cost of something else.

A great deal of political rhetoric has been levelled at trying to mandate education as a 'mcProcess' to produce the kinds of workers the society *wants*.

Our educational system *has abysmal* attainment scores.

Countries that do check for student aptitudes, do much better.

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2016/2016100/index.asp

The main complaint, revolves around 'economic outcomes' of such tracking. This is related to 'they got a useless degree!' Mindsets.

There is no such thing as a useless degree. There is only people that have what you want, and those that do not, and an intrinsic desire to try to maximize what you want, even if that does not, in fact, work.

Denial of that desire is crucial to any actually enlightened future society, that honestly takes human UNidealness into account.

Reply 1022 of 1030, by wierd_w

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Apologies for riding in the political horse rodeo.

Reply 1023 of 1030, by ElectroSoldier

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The Solutor wrote on Today, 18:19:
Aside that quoting me where I say I don't want to get deeper, in political discussions, as the excuse to leave the conversation, […]
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ElectroSoldier wrote on Today, 18:07:

And this is where I leave the conversation.
Its not a political forum and I dont want it to be.

Aside that quoting me where I say I don't want to get deeper, in political discussions, as the excuse to leave the conversation, because you don't want to talk about politics is a bit odd, to say the best.

But aside that, do you think RAM prices aiming for the stars, is because the horoscope or whatever other reasons, or it's because politics?

Discussing about economics w/o bringing some politics in, is like discussing of aviation avoiding to talk about winds.

I think the RAM prices going sky high are as a result of demand out-striping supply.
Once the supply is greater than the demand then the prices will fall.

The hyper-scalers are driving up the prices as they are buying up all the RAM and the companies are supplying them, in some cases exclusively.

Its a business decision, not a political one.

It is a political one to not interfere with private enterprise.

Reply 1024 of 1030, by wierd_w

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I am rather skeptical that the ideas driving the large bulk purchases will have net beneficial outcomes.

For anyone.

However, ASIC availability (ram included) is indeed driven by supply and demand economics.

On the supply side, there is a shortage of silica of adequate purity, a shortage of makers of EUV fab devices, a shortage of EUV fab machines themselves, and a shortage of suitable sites where it is logistically feasible to run fabs, even if the prior scarcities were magically handwaved.

On the demand side, you have very foolhardy and overzealous, greedy consumption by AI companies.

Quite a lot of 'lost opportunity' has occurred from this.

Reply 1025 of 1030, by gaffa2002

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wierd_w wrote on Today, 19:36:

Apologies for riding in the political horse rodeo.

Don't have to apologize. Everything is politics and we really need to practice talking about in a civilized manner instead making it taboo.

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Reply 1026 of 1030, by The Solutor

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ElectroSoldier wrote on Today, 19:42:
I think the RAM prices going sky high are as a result of demand out-striping supply. Once the supply is greater than the demand […]
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I think the RAM prices going sky high are as a result of demand out-striping supply.
Once the supply is greater than the demand then the prices will fall.

The hyper-scalers are driving up the prices as they are buying up all the RAM and the companies are supplying them, in some cases exclusively.

Its a business decision, not a political one.

It is a political one to not interfere with private enterprise.

It's REALLY bad politics letting such people doing whatever they want, no matter their impact on lifestyle, environment, prices and whatnot.

This is anarchy, limited to a tiny part of the population, but still anarchy, not freedom.

Reply 1027 of 1030, by zyzzle

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Meanwhile - getting away from politics, how's the price of RAM doing? Worse than a mere 3 months ago? I'm so disgusted that I haven't been following it. More importantly, how much are consumers being gouged for SSDs now? We're a long, long way from 2TB SSDs at $70 which happened two years ago.

Reply 1028 of 1030, by wierd_w

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gaffa2002 wrote on Today, 20:04:
wierd_w wrote on Today, 19:36:

Apologies for riding in the political horse rodeo.

Don't be. Everything is politics and we really need to practice talking about in a civilized manner instead making it taboo.

It is at best, tangential to the stated topic of this discussion, and should be reigned in as such.

No amount of demands will fix the 'only one company managed to build an xray source suitable for this kind of lithography, and the source they had to use is *absurdly rube-goldbergian* to make work' problem.

Seriously, they work by turning a stream of tiny molten tin droplets into an energetic plasma by precisely hitting each and every droplet with a laser 3 times, while cycling a dynamic mixture of hydrogen and oxygen through the xray source chamber at speeds that make a hurricane look like an elderly couple holding up traffic.

A breakthru technology would be any kind of improvement in xray mirror tech.

That would reduce the amount of energy needed considerably, and make other, less insane sources economically viable.

This vid from veritasium takes a look under that hood.

https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0?is=XsR_zTrCWRGCikog

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Reply 1030 of 1030, by Shponglefan

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zyzzle wrote on Today, 20:25:

Meanwhile - getting away from politics, how's the price of RAM doing? Worse than a mere 3 months ago?

It's continued to go up where I live.

A year ago I bought a set of 64GB DDR5 CL30 RAM for $350 CAD ($250 USD). In June of this year it had risen to $1385 CAD ($975 USD).

Most recent price is now $1890 CAD ($1325 USD). That's a 440% (!) price increase in only one year.

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