shevalier wrote on 2025-10-12, 15:54:

Can you run this benchmark on Sempron? 2GHz Sempron Palermo can post the results in Linpack. Same conditions: Hypertransport - a […]
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Ydee wrote on 2025-10-12, 15:48:

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-10, 06:13:

That would be great. I wonder how smoothly it would work with Windows 98. Of course, with something like the X600/800 or PCX5700 […]
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That would be great.
I wonder how smoothly it would work with Windows 98.
Of course, with something like the X600/800 or PCX5700.
If everything works well, it's the ultimate solution.
The Socket 754 multiplier increases the frequency from 800 to 2.4 GHz, or three times. (And this is without even changing the frequency of Hypertransport.)
256/512 MB DDR1 modules are also quite affordable.
It still amazes me that all retro gamers want the K6-3/P3S and not the S754.

With GF 7600GS TOP (factory oced with clock like GT version) and X700SE (really crippled version not only on shaders and ROPs, but even memory bus too) are results on AMD 760G (aka 780) and SB710:

Can you run this benchmark on Sempron?
2GHz Sempron Palermo can post the results in Linpack.
Same conditions: Hypertransport - as close to 800MHz as possible, RAM - 200MHz, 3-3-3-8 CR2.
Re: Battle of the platforms: socket 754!
Re: Battle of the platforms: socket 754!

Oh, boy - unfortunately, no, because I only have room for one more machine at the table and the choice fell to MSI K8N Neo with AGP port and Turion. AMD chipset does not allow emulation of SB16 on Audigy, while nForce3 on MSI does - so winner is clear. I already sold it.

Ozzuneoj wrote on 2025-10-12, 18:23:

Ydee wrote on 2025-10-12, 15:48:

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-10, 06:13:

That would be great. I wonder how smoothly it would work with Windows 98. Of course, with something like the X600/800 or PCX5700 […]
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That would be great.
I wonder how smoothly it would work with Windows 98.
Of course, with something like the X600/800 or PCX5700.
If everything works well, it's the ultimate solution.
The Socket 754 multiplier increases the frequency from 800 to 2.4 GHz, or three times. (And this is without even changing the frequency of Hypertransport.)
256/512 MB DDR1 modules are also quite affordable.
It still amazes me that all retro gamers want the K6-3/P3S and not the S754.

With GF 7600GS TOP (factory oced with clock like GT version) and X700SE (really crippled version not only on shaders and ROPs, but even memory bus too) are results on AMD 760G (aka 780) and SB710:

Nice! Can you run the same test on the HD3000 IGP? It'd need to be run under XP, since there are no 9x drivers for it, but I'd be really interested to see the results if you have time. Also maybe running the GPUs again in XP would be good too for a more like-for-like comparison to the IGP.

Dtto, but IIRC, integrated HD3200 achieved a score of about 9,000 in 3DM2001 at stock frequency and S64 2800+.

Ydee wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:30:

and Turion.

Judging by the census, only nd22 thinks the Turion is hard to buy.
As far as I can see, everyone has a Turion. 😀

None of my s754 motherboards exhibit problems with memory modules. I have boards with VIA, nForce3 and nForce4 chipset. I always test with just one memory module and default settings. All boot fine with basic Kingstone value ram (without heatspreader). I also have Kingstone HyperX with heatspreader and OCZ Platinum. There are no problems.

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:36:

Ydee wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:30:

and Turion.

Judging by the census, only nd22 thinks the Turion is hard to buy.
As far as I can see, everyone has a Turion. 😀

Please show me when i said that Turion is hard to buy!!

AlexZ wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:43:

None of my s754 motherboards exhibit problems with memory modules. I have boards with VIA, nForce3 and nForce4 chipset. I always test with just one memory module and default settings. All boot fine with basic Kingstone value ram (without heatspreader). I also have Kingstone HyperX with heatspreader and OCZ Platinum. There are no problems.

This is manufacturers quirks in action! Just to be clear my best friend has an Asus K8N4-E deluxe and that board runs just fine with some kingmax ram.

AlexZ wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:43:

None of my s754 motherboards exhibit problems with memory modules. I have boards with VIA, nForce3 and nForce4 chipset. I always test with just one memory module and default settings. All boot fine with basic Kingstone value ram (without heatspreader). I also have Kingstone HyperX with heatspreader and OCZ Platinum. There are no problems.

CR1
There's a significant increase in memory write speed (around 20%), but that's a silicon lottery.
Moreover, in my opinion, it depends more on the processor.
And with the dreary 8-3-3-3 CR2 with two RAM modules, 400 MHz is always guaranteed.

To summarize:
Abit KU8
positives:
- accepts SATA SSD
- accepts SATA DVD drive
- runs very cool
- 24 pin main ATX connector
- command rate 1T with CO revision of the Clawhammer
negatives:
- main & aux ATX power connectors in the middle of the board!
- horrendous memory compatibility!

nd22 wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:45:

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:36:

Ydee wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:30:

and Turion.

Judging by the census, only nd22 thinks the Turion is hard to buy.
As far as I can see, everyone has a Turion. 😀

Please show me when i said that Turion is hard to buy!!

Re: Battle of the platforms: socket 754!
No offense, but it seems there are two types of people - those who use TURION without prejudice, and you. 😀
PS. P3-S Tualatin +440BX - absolutely incompatible from the point of view of specifications and a very common combination, one might say "classic".

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:47:

CR1 There's a significant increase in memory write speed (around 20%), but that's a silicon lottery. Moreover, in my opinion, it […]
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AlexZ wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:43:

None of my s754 motherboards exhibit problems with memory modules. I have boards with VIA, nForce3 and nForce4 chipset. I always test with just one memory module and default settings. All boot fine with basic Kingstone value ram (without heatspreader). I also have Kingstone HyperX with heatspreader and OCZ Platinum. There are no problems.

CR1
There's a significant increase in memory write speed (around 20%), but that's a silicon lottery.
Moreover, in my opinion, it depends more on the processor.
And with the dreary 8-3-3-3 CR2 with two RAM modules, 400 MHz is always guaranteed.

All my boards run with 3-3-3-8 CR 1T with all Athlon 64 any revision.
No offense taken but again: where did I said that Turion is a hard buy?

BIOS options on KU8 are somewhat particular so I will describe some of the most exotic settings for which there are some difficulties in finding clear explanations on the internet.

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:19:

Has anyone run more than 2GB on Socket754? If this is at all possible, the frequency will be 100-133 MHz for three strips. […]
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nd22 wrote on 2025-10-13, 06:47:

The layout is pretty unconventional, as you can see the DIMM are located above the CPU socket. There are only 2 DIMMs for a total of 2 GB of RAM, more than enough for any game up to 2004!

Has anyone run more than 2GB on Socket754?
If this is at all possible, the frequency will be 100-133 MHz for three strips.

nd22 wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:18:

Another major difficulty is compatibility with the RAM

I don't believe it. Either you desperately need CR1, or you're just incredibly unlucky with your RAM.

4GB (2x2) are likely possible with registered RAM, just like 8GB are possible on s939. Frequencies should be fine too.

Archer57 wrote on 2025-10-13, 08:42:

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:19:

Has anyone run more than 2GB on Socket754? If this is at all possible, the frequency will be 100-133 MHz for three strips. […]
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nd22 wrote on 2025-10-13, 06:47:

The layout is pretty unconventional, as you can see the DIMM are located above the CPU socket. There are only 2 DIMMs for a total of 2 GB of RAM, more than enough for any game up to 2004!

Has anyone run more than 2GB on Socket754?
If this is at all possible, the frequency will be 100-133 MHz for three strips.

nd22 wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:18:

Another major difficulty is compatibility with the RAM

I don't believe it. Either you desperately need CR1, or you're just incredibly unlucky with your RAM.

4GB (2x2) are likely possible with registered RAM, just like 8GB are possible on s939. Frequencies should be fine too.

You actually tried it and it worked? I ask because I have never seen a socket 754 system with 4gb of ram.

The first screen is the soft menu where you can see that I manually selected the lowest possible voltage across the board:

nd22 wrote on 2025-10-13, 09:07:

Archer57 wrote on 2025-10-13, 08:42:

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:19:

Has anyone run more than 2GB on Socket754?
If this is at all possible, the frequency will be 100-133 MHz for three strips.

I don't believe it. Either you desperately need CR1, or you're just incredibly unlucky with your RAM.

4GB (2x2) are likely possible with registered RAM, just like 8GB are possible on s939. Frequencies should be fine too.

You actually tried it and it worked? I ask because I have never seen a socket 754 system with 4gb of ram.

Have no probs with modules (2x1 GB Kingston DDR333, but chips are Elpida 5ns, so I run those at DDR400 CR 1T), of course, with patch from Rudi Loew - but I've never seen 2GB DDR1 modules, those exists?

Ydee wrote on 2025-10-13, 09:32:

but I've never seen 2GB DDR1 modules, those exists?

https://priceblaze.com/713232692-SmartModular-Server-Memory
I have a 2*1GB kit, which is ECC unregistered (unbuffered) memory.
None of my motherboards detect this ECC. The kit works like regular memory.
I doubt they'll work with Buffered RAM.
However, this is a BIOS issue, not a motherboard layout issue.
Some c939 motherboards do support FB-DIMM.

On the other hand, according to the specification, any motherboard should support FB-DIMM, putting it in transparent mode.
For example, the TUSL-2 on the I815, which knows nothing about ECC or registered memory.
But in this situation, everything depends heavily on the BIOS.

nd22 wrote on 2025-10-13, 09:07:

Archer57 wrote on 2025-10-13, 08:42:

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:19:

Has anyone run more than 2GB on Socket754?
If this is at all possible, the frequency will be 100-133 MHz for three strips.

I don't believe it. Either you desperately need CR1, or you're just incredibly unlucky with your RAM.

4GB (2x2) are likely possible with registered RAM, just like 8GB are possible on s939. Frequencies should be fine too.

You actually tried it and it worked? I ask because I have never seen a socket 754 system with 4gb of ram.

I am not unlucky, as you have seen from the pictures all voltages are set to the lower setting possible. This is across all the boards; so if a system does not passes memtest with 2 modules at the lowest voltage I test another one! This is on purpose: lower voltage + lower temperature = longer lifespan.

Advanced BIOS, integrated peripherals and power management offer nothing out of the ordinary; of course cool and quiet is disabled along with anything not needed:

DRAM menu lets you select manually the timings; unfortunately only with AUTO and SPD will you get a stable system - at 2.5V of course:

nd22 wrote on 2025-10-13, 09:07:

Archer57 wrote on 2025-10-13, 08:42:

shevalier wrote on 2025-10-13, 07:19:

Has anyone run more than 2GB on Socket754?
If this is at all possible, the frequency will be 100-133 MHz for three strips.

I don't believe it. Either you desperately need CR1, or you're just incredibly unlucky with your RAM.

4GB (2x2) are likely possible with registered RAM, just like 8GB are possible on s939. Frequencies should be fine too.

You actually tried it and it worked? I ask because I have never seen a socket 754 system with 4gb of ram.

No, i have no s754 hardware. I have, however, tried 4x2Gb on s939 and it works. It is 4GB/channel, so should work on s754 too, given bios/motherboard support.

2GB registered ddr1 modules exist, though they can be relatively hard to track down. Unbuffered ddr1 - AFAIK 1GB is the limit.

The first options that seem out of the ordinary are on the M1689 configuration; both are power related:
- M1689 gated clock reduces power to unused PCI slots
- PCI/14M/USB clock power down is a more enhanced version of the previous option and disable power to unused USB ports in addition to PCI slots.
I played with them and the scores in the benchmarks did not changed regardless of the setting.