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Reply 20 of 24, by shevalier

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momaka wrote on 2025-07-18, 07:35:

But this has nothing to do with the industrial PSUs I'm talking about. Most of them come with 5 screw terminals: AC input (L & N), ground, and output (+) and (-). The ground terminal is highly RECOMMENDED, but OPTIONAL. It is isolated from the PSU output terminals, but you could reference one of these to it, if desired.

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And then once a year the housewife gets an electric death in the shower because she bought a charger without galvanic isolation on AliExpress.
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momaka wrote on 2025-07-18, 07:35:
You mean discontinuous forward design. (Flyback is just a term people commonly use for it, though despite not being technically […]
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You mean discontinuous forward design. (Flyback is just a term people commonly use for it, though despite not being technically accurate.)
Well, not always.
You can have both continuous or discontinuous designs with UC384x current-mode PWM controllers. The easiest way to tell which one you're dealing with is if there is a large inductor (usually toroidal, like on standard group-regulated ATX PSUs) on the output after the rectifiers (but before the output caps) or not.
No output inductor = discontinuous design **
Output inductor/toroid present = continuous design.

** except half-bridge LLC designs - these have no output inductor either... but then again, these won't use a UC3842-style current-mode PWM controller either, so not really worth mentioning this here. 😁

Well, we are talking about AC/DC power supplies, not step-down converters, like this
https://sector.biz.ua/docs/power_supply_schemes_8/350T.jpg
discontinuous - definitely "yes", forward - I'm not sure, accumulation and transfer are separated in time, aren't they?

Sorry, I was wrong.
There will always be a pervert using UC38хх in an asymmetrical forward half-bridge.
https://320volt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/0 … t-sbl3040pt.gif
Now I've seen everything, and you won't be able to surprise me anymore. 😀

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Reply 21 of 24, by biggieshellz

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OK, I desoldered what I think is the 12V diodes (MUR1510CT, in TO-220 package), and both diodes in the package test fine on my Fluke multimeter -- OL one way, and 400-something mV of drop the other way. So no luck there.

Also, I did replace all the electrolytic caps -- the Jackcon, etc. were what was available through Jameco, and while they may not last as long moving forward, they all tested OK on my LCR meter before I installed them.

Any ideas what to try next?

Thanks!

Reply 22 of 24, by biggieshellz

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Also, I did double-check the 115V/230V switch, and it is in the correct position (115V for United States) and shows proper continuity -- I worked it back and forth a few times just to make sure.

Reply 23 of 24, by DaveDDS

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momaka wrote on 2025-07-18, 04:17:

I've something similar too, except instead of light bulb sockets, I have 2 wall outlets (and a switch) wired in series. One outlet is connecting my DUT (device under test), while the other is for connecting my "current limiting" device (e.g. desk lamp with incandescent bulb or floor lamp with a high-power halogen bulb... or when heavier currents are expected/allowed, I use a 2 kW space heater or 700W/1.4 kW mini oven.) Yes, such large "current limiting" appliances can indeed take too much space on the bench (and I don't keep them there for that reason)... but sometimes, there's just no other alternative to such high power "resistors" - namely when testing ATX PSUs with APFC circuits, as those APFC circuit absolutely do NOT like low-power current limiting devices (e.g. 100W or lower light bulbs.)

I also have such a "series plug" device - but almost never use it. The problem with big heaters etc.
is that they take longer to get hot - so higher that wanted current occurs longer, and more often than
not it's long enough to cause damage.

What I do use more often, is a setup with 1A, 2A, 3A and 5A circuit breakers.... (I only use one at a time, otherwise
trip characteristics aren't terrible predictable).

I've also got one with Bakelite screw terminals where I can fasten a piece of wire to be a "homemade fuse".. I spent
a few days testing(*) various "thin" wire types to be able to create some very specific current limiters. Also not one I
use a lot, but very handy when I need it.

(*) Fairly easy to test current trip with a 5A ammeter, some high power resistors and a variac.

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Reply 24 of 24, by shevalier

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biggieshellz wrote on 2025-07-18, 22:15:

Any ideas what to try next?

Thanks!

with minimal PSU load ( waste HDD, which has not yet been disassembled into magnets)
- c5/6 each must be charged to 110V AC (for US) *1.4 = 150Volt DC
- C9 - measure for capacity and resistance. If it is bad, then this capacitor will limit the transmitted power.
- R/C/D around power BJT - incorrect driving of BJT.
- Power BJT - Starting from the fact that one of them may be broken and ending with the loss of gain. It is better to check by replacing them with similar ones.
- driving circuit- may disrupt self-oscillations during startup.

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