To properly test serial ports use disgnostic software such as CheckIt and a test plug as described here: www.hardwarebook.info/Serial_Port_Loopback_(9_CheckIt)

Oldskoolmaniac wrote:

No it didn't work in dos either.

Is the header of the com port connect right on the motherboard, cause maybe its 180 degrees flipped over.. in some situations.

Jo22 wrote:

Oldskoolmaniac, uhm, may I ask what kind of serial mouse you're using ? Maybe the mouse isn't detected because its not compatibl […]
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Oldskoolmaniac, uhm, may I ask what kind of serial mouse you're using ?
Maybe the mouse isn't detected because its not compatible with the Microsoft Mouse.
There were at least three types of different protocols in use : Logitech (or was it Genius ?), MS Mouse, and Mouse Systems.

Sometimes it was possible to "boot" the mouse in MS Mouse mode,
by holding a mouse button during power on. Some also had switch on the bottom.
It's just an idea, though. Maybe your problem is something else.

Edit: Sorry, I didn't notice you already mentionend the s/n number a few posts earlier.
Edit2: Please try the Sigma mouse driver for DOS. It often worked for me with troublesome mice..

I installed that and in does mode i can click the mouse thats it, but i cant move the mouse around at all.

In windows 95 still nothing im using the standard serial mouse driver.

The connector for the board only fits one way.

Never seen such a switch on the bottom of that mouse..

My older keyboard has one as well.

Try switching to MS mode. Not sure what "PC AT" is supposed to mean on a mouse.

After switching it to MS AT i can now right click and it shows the desktop properties but i cant move the mouse though.

Ok, so look in the Win95 driver list and see if there's a Mouse Plus driver. If there isn't maybe you can find one online somewhere.

I cant find any online or in the driver selection, maybe i should just get another mouse off of ebay, should i go with the microsoft mouse?

Maybe this one? seems pricey though http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICROSOFT-50674-SERIA … Y0AAOSwQupXWR-I

Remove that yellow exclamation mark mouse and run the hardware detection.

h-a-l-9000 wrote:

Remove that yellow exclamation mark mouse and run the hardware detection.

Tried that and nothing, im starting to have doubts that this mouse even works.

Yes, if you can click but not move the cursor at all, that doesn't suggest a driver problem.

Have you tried opening the mouse right up, removing the ball, and moving the rollers with your fingers?

Yep i cleaned it all out and nothing. I think its dead.

Did you tried Mouse Systems Driver ?

load a mouse systems driver in DOS and check with a programm supporting mouse (EDIT.COM from Win98 ?)

Come to think of it, if I'm not mistaken, you can dispense with drivers entirely and just use a terminal program to open the port to which the mouse is connected.

Back in the day I recall watching someone accomplish something similar using four or five lines of assembler executed using MS-DOS debug, but the details escape me.

That's cool! I didn't know this.
The only thing I could add to this thread is that I vaguely remember that MSD also showed mouse information without drivers loaded.
I'm not sure about this now. Can't check that with an emulator. If it's true, then there must be some kind of micro controller inside the mouse
which responds to a certain set of commands (like Hayes modems do, I guess).

I'm wondering if this could be a bus mouse? The AM probably indicates Amiga, IIRC the Amiga mouse protocol is identical to bus mouse (not serial / RS232).

Probably a really stupid question, but it needs to be asked (so I'll ask it)... There definitely is a mouse ball inside, right? The photo above seems to show a soft black rubber/steel ball, but I just want to make sure!

Not a stupid question, I thought the same but was afraid to ask.

yep mouse ball is still there, I pulled it out and cleaned it inside.

It looks like its not there in the pic, its black.