Wha?

Diablo. Don't think there's other monitors that can be weird or strange in Diablo sense (except for that Eizo).

That's a professional broadcast equipment I think, I've seen something like that in a retro console article (here), though a larger one. I guess this one here was intended for a more portable/field use.

Also google doesn't give much on that model number, "9045" maybe?

I've always heard about them since almost six or seven years ago (damn how time flies. It's scary when I think about it!). It was always me having trouble getting 15khz to display on a PC CRT. Everytime I dug into the subject I always encountered the Sony BVM-PVM monitors. I always envied the Europeans for having RGB in their land. Americans could only dream about 15khz RGB, until everything became obsolete. That includes 1980s all the way to 21st century. I didn't even get an RGB scart to ypbpr rca converter until 2008. As a matter of fact I KNOW I didn't!

archsan wrote:

That's a professional broadcast equipment I think, I've seen something like that in a retro console article (here), though a larger one. I guess this one here was intended for a more portable/field use.

Also google doesn't give much on that model number, "9045" maybe?

9045, yes, that's what I wrote, wasn't it?

*looks*

D'oh!

This 9" one is either for field use (it has cavities in the back for battery packs), or for mounting in an editing rack.

Japanese had the best of both worlds. 60 Hz AND RGB 😀

I believe 21pin RGB wasn't really popular in Japan at all, at least not in the scale RGB SCART was in Europe.
They seemed to be stuck in the same RF/Composite/S-Video thing as us in America. I haven't really seen JP21 RGB inputs outside home computer monitors and high end TV sets from the 80s (branded as 'New Media' ready).

That's kind of true. But Japan did have its own standard for scart plugs; the pinout was different from Europe but the same socket used. There also was some Sony TVs with native scart RGB input, according to Japanese scart specs. Also, they had high definition broadcast and high def CRT TVs in 1991; way before anyone. Those crazy Japanese just have to have everything! Sucks living in the U.S. without that stuff; though I find composite to be pretty cool despite its difficulty with 240P.

Holering wrote:

But Japan did have its own standard for scart plugs; the pinout was different from Europe but the same socket used.

Yeah that's what I was referring to with 'JP21 RGB'. Thing is, it seemed to be a high-end only thing that never really caught on the mainstream TV market, which is kinda surprising given how 'high-tech' the Japanese are. But I guess having the option (albeit a rare and expensive one) is better that having no option at all.

Have a look at these Japanese TV commercials:
'78-85 家電CM集vol.10 テレビ3
RGB-enabled sets start at 1982 and they're pretty much top of the line (National α-Digital, Toshiba Core FS, Sony Profeel).

I believe what made RGB SCART so great was that you could find it across the whole spectrum of TV sets, avoiding the catch-22 that could've stifled its adoption.

Holering wrote:

I find composite to be pretty cool despite its difficulty with 240P.

Composite IMO is a mixed bag. Some systems have a really nice composite output, others a downright terrible one. Some used its intrinsic limitations to create more colors and nice visual effects, others didn't bother correcting even the simplest of flaws.

Hey! I came here for the pics. 😒

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I just grabbed a 9" Sony PVM-9054QM for my workbench.

Noice.

Specs?

133MHz wrote:

Have a look at these Japanese TV commercials:
'78-85 家電CM集vol.10 テレビ3
RGB-enabled sets start at 1982 and they're pretty much top of the line (National α-Digital, Toshiba Core FS, Sony Profeel).

Wow those are great. There's certainly nothing wrong with their look and design. Wish I had one today.

133mhz wrote:

Composite IMO is a mixed bag. Some systems have a really nice composite output, others a downright terrible one. Some used its intrinsic limitations to create more colors and nice visual effects, others didn't bother correcting even the simplest of flaws.

Right. It definitely looks fine with good encoders. Only problem I can see is slight rainbowing in motion, but even that is solved with DSP techniques besides a comb filter. Composite can become RGB quality, unless the composite encoder is crummy like you say; or if the decoding isn't the best. Here's an example with an HVR 1600 (has 3D y/c seperation): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGFut3nyWEI; Not the best example (card softens composite), but I don't see rainbowing, dot crawl or color bleeding and it looks like 480p.

I've been using a 17" Sony Trinitron for the last couple of years (from the first page of this thread) and it's very nice, but I had 3 other 17" CRT's in the shed, all NIB, and curiosity got the better of me. First I tried the Phillips 107e, which had quite a nice picture but crappy geometry that I couldn't get quite right. Next I tried an LG flatron, which was quality all the way - perfect geometry, great picture and controls. But the image just wasn't bright enough - if I was using it for word processing, this is the one I'd want, but just not colourful enough for DOS games.

Lastly I tried a flatscreen Acer AF705 and didn't have high hopes, but it's fantastic! Its default settings handled most modes well without much adjustment required, and the image it produces is really beautiful. Very clear and colourful - it also has an anti reflective coating that works amazingly well. Very happy that I went to the trouble of lifting these heavy mother f#ckers out of storage and testing them out.

A couple of pics:

NIB CRTs?

WOW. Wonder what the story behind them is 😀

I blew one of my first pay cheques on a 22" Lacie Electron Blue waybackwhen. Spectacular monitor. I used it as my main screen for over 5 years. (In fact I had two - the first failed during the 3 year warranty so Lacie sent another to my door a few days later. No mean feat considering the size and weight of the beast. I'm not surprised Lacie eventually quit the monitor business...)

cdoublejj wrote:

Specs?

9" diagonal, 450-line HR Trinitron tube, cylindrical face, RGB and Y/Pb/Pr BNC input, S-video input, Composite input, 50/60Hz, tally light, battery support.

www.acuson.it/schedepdf/vx6KTWsw8S_PVM-9042QM(brch).pdf

badmojo wrote:

I've been using a 17" Sony Trinitron for the last couple of years (from the first page of this thread) and it's very nice, but I had 3 other 17" CRT's in the shed, all NIB, and curiosity got the better of me. First I tried the Phillips 107e, which had quite a nice picture but crappy geometry that I couldn't get quite right. Next I tried an LG flatron, which was quality all the way - perfect geometry, great picture and controls. But the image just wasn't bright enough - if I was using it for word processing, this is the one I'd want, but just not colourful enough for DOS games.

Lastly I tried a flatscreen Acer AF705 and didn't have high hopes, but it's fantastic! Its default settings handled most modes well without much adjustment required, and the image it produces is really beautiful. Very clear and colourful - it also has an anti reflective coating that works amazingly well. Very happy that I went to the trouble of lifting these heavy mother f#ckers out of storage and testing them out.

Excellent work badmojo! What game is your avatar from?

These are my small CRTs (14" and 12"). I also have one 17" Philips Briliance that has a great picture even at 1600x1200. The Commodore 1084 is an old picture, but still works great.

Wow kixs where do you keep all this stuff? 😁

Actually all over my place 🙁

I wish I'd own a house and have a room only for my stuff... maybe one day 😎