LequaRex wrote on 2024-08-14, 07:12:

Possible... on this particular chipset/motherboard? Or generally?

I have every reason to believe that 98SE can run on SATA on an ICH5 with that remapping feature.

No generally, I didn't know it causes problems on certain chipsets .

I would frame it the other way around - 98SE is unfriendly with SATA generally, but some chipsets/BIOSes implement specific hacks that move memory addresses around to work around that unfriendliness.

GemCookie wrote on 2024-08-14, 07:19:

VivienM wrote on 2024-08-13, 02:13:

And no one who somehow had an early SATA system in that era would have had any interest in 98SE.

That is dead wrong -- the MSFN forum has numerous posts from people running 98 on this hardware when it was new. Not everyone could be bothered to run out and buy a new Windows release, especially one with a very different UI.

And were they running SATA drives? (I guess I chose my words poorly - by 'SATA system', I meant 'system with a SATA boot drive', rather than 'system with SATA functionality in the chipset.')

I remember building an ICH5R system in late 2004 for a dumb-in-hindsight MythTV project (I read a review of MythTV somewhere and was convinced it was the coolest thing ever... and probably, in the four years before I gave up on it, ended up spending over twice the money I originally intended to on this project). One of the reasons I picked the ICH5/socket 478/etc platform over the i915/LGA775/ICH6/etc was because there were a lot more opportunities to get cheap PATA drives and the ICH5 had two PATA channels. (The other reason was that I had a suitable spare AGP video card and i915 would have meant PCI-E. And I also suspect DDR1 RAM was cheaper than DDR2.)

SATA HDDs just seemed like a harder-to-get, enthusiasty (only enthusiast stores had SATA drives, the big retailers like worst buy who sometimes had aggressive sales only stocked PATA), etc. thing with little immediate benefit justifying the cost. And of course, there were no SATA ODDs until summer 2006.

VivienM wrote on 2024-08-18, 23:21:

And were they running SATA drives? (I guess I chose my words poorly - by 'SATA system', I meant 'system with a SATA boot drive', […]
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GemCookie wrote on 2024-08-14, 07:19:

VivienM wrote on 2024-08-13, 02:13:

And no one who somehow had an early SATA system in that era would have had any interest in 98SE.

That is dead wrong -- the MSFN forum has numerous posts from people running 98 on this hardware when it was new. Not everyone could be bothered to run out and buy a new Windows release, especially one with a very different UI.

And were they running SATA drives? (I guess I chose my words poorly - by 'SATA system', I meant 'system with a SATA boot drive', rather than 'system with SATA functionality in the chipset.')

I remember building an ICH5R system in late 2004 for a dumb-in-hindsight MythTV project (I read a review of MythTV somewhere and was convinced it was the coolest thing ever... and probably, in the four years before I gave up on it, ended up spending over twice the money I originally intended to on this project). One of the reasons I picked the ICH5/socket 478/etc platform over the i915/LGA775/ICH6/etc was because there were a lot more opportunities to get cheap PATA drives and the ICH5 had two PATA channels. (The other reason was that I had a suitable spare AGP video card and i915 would have meant PCI-E. And I also suspect DDR1 RAM was cheaper than DDR2.)

SATA HDDs just seemed like a harder-to-get, enthusiasty (only enthusiast stores had SATA drives, the big retailers like worst buy who sometimes had aggressive sales only stocked PATA), etc. thing with little immediate benefit justifying the cost. And of course, there were no SATA ODDs until summer 2006.

I'm now using a IDE to SATA adapter. SATA doesn't seem to work in general during the installation.