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Reply 460 of 532, by OVERK|LL

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gonzo wrote on 2025-02-07, 15:55:
Well, today I dig out the only appropriate board I have: a SuperTek ST-MGXm3A (chipset is a Cyrix 5530 GXm). I have some Media- […]
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OVERK|LL wrote on 2025-02-05, 18:42:

Yeah, boards compatible with it seem to be rarer than hens teeth and I'm of course not even sure the CPU is good, since I have no way of testing it.

Well, today I dig out the only appropriate board I have: a SuperTek ST-MGXm3A (chipset is a Cyrix 5530 GXm).
I have some Media-GX-CPUs here from Cyrix and from National Semiconductor (NSC; made with Cyrix-license).

Will try to set-up a Windows-system the next days. Still no idea if it works, or not.

Looking forward to seeing the results!

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Reply 461 of 532, by Sphere478

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gonzo wrote on 2025-02-05, 15:57:
Very nice CPU. This is a Cyrix-CPU called "Media-GX". It is fully pin-compatible to the Socket 7 (Intel Pentium 1) - but it is N […]
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OVERK|LL wrote on 2025-02-01, 15:25:

Only Cyrix CPU I have is this "value-oriented" one that I also don't seem to have a board for. Probably went out as e-waste years ago.

Very nice CPU.
This is a Cyrix-CPU called "Media-GX". It is fully pin-compatible to the Socket 7 (Intel Pentium 1) - but it is NOT electrical compatible with this socket, so please do NOT use it with such a board.
This kind of CPU needs a spetial socket made espetially (and only) for it - they are very rare in the last years, so you will need a lot of luck to get one.
As far as I know, this was the first combined chip on the mainstream-market with an integrated VGA-chip "on die" next to the CPU-chip (e.g. similar to the Intel-iCore-Generation many years later).

I wonder if it's possible to make an adapter that lets you use the cpu without the GPU functions on a normal socket 7 board..?

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Reply 462 of 532, by myne

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IF the rest of the chip is pin compatible: There's always pulling the pins off, or dissecting the socket to pull the contacts.

It may also have some smarts in the design, which would be detailed in the datasheet to disable the pins when something is shorted, or set.

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Reply 463 of 532, by BitWrangler

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Sphere478 wrote on 2025-02-08, 03:11:
gonzo wrote on 2025-02-05, 15:57:
Very nice CPU. This is a Cyrix-CPU called "Media-GX". It is fully pin-compatible to the Socket 7 (Intel Pentium 1) - but it is N […]
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OVERK|LL wrote on 2025-02-01, 15:25:

Only Cyrix CPU I have is this "value-oriented" one that I also don't seem to have a board for. Probably went out as e-waste years ago.

Very nice CPU.
This is a Cyrix-CPU called "Media-GX". It is fully pin-compatible to the Socket 7 (Intel Pentium 1) - but it is NOT electrical compatible with this socket, so please do NOT use it with such a board.
This kind of CPU needs a spetial socket made espetially (and only) for it - they are very rare in the last years, so you will need a lot of luck to get one.
As far as I know, this was the first combined chip on the mainstream-market with an integrated VGA-chip "on die" next to the CPU-chip (e.g. similar to the Intel-iCore-Generation many years later).

I wonder if it's possible to make an adapter that lets you use the cpu without the GPU functions on a normal socket 7 board..?

Maybe not a normal socket 7 due to it not being fully 64 bit, but maybe the SiS chipsets that are reputed to have a 32bit mode could be got to work. 5591 is coming to mind, not sure it's that one or one either side.

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Reply 464 of 532, by feipoa

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I think a more interesting interposer idea would be one which lets us use the Media GX in a socket 3 motherboard.

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Reply 465 of 532, by rmay635703

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feipoa wrote on 2025-02-08, 05:18:

I think a more interesting interposer idea would be one which lets us use the Media GX in a socket 3 motherboard.

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Get a card with a gx, video, audio, ram, disk controller and a ribbon cable to the old cpu socket

Reply 466 of 532, by gonzo

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Sphere478 wrote on 2025-02-08, 03:11:

I wonder if it's possible to make an adapter that lets you use the cpu without the GPU functions on a normal socket 7 board..?

In my eyes, there is no chance, because this Media-GX-CPU is in fact an APU (like AMD-APUs many years later) with integrated controller for RAM, PCI-bus etc.

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feipoa wrote on 2025-02-08, 05:18:

I think a more interesting interposer idea would be one which lets us use the Media GX in a socket 3 motherboard.

The very big problem are the integrated on-die-controllers for RAM and PCI-bus in this chip, so they will be a hardware-collision with any onboard-controllers of any other mainboard-generations like 486 or 586 (as their controllers can not be disabled in BIOS).

This should be the mean reason for the existence of a mainboard-generation made espetially for MediaGX-chips.

BTW - first tests with my mainboard are done - yes, it works pretty fine! Actually I am trying to overclock a CPU on it. The onboard-northbridge is very small and cool (there is no cooler mounted on it) - so this coolness is caused by the missing integrated RAM- and PCI-controllers in it (they are inside of the CPU).

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Reply 468 of 532, by myne

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https://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/na … nductor/GXM.pdf

Here's the pinouts. Time to play spot the difference

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Reply 470 of 532, by myne

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Completely completely, or 771/775 "completely"?

I haven't checked, but history is filled with "completely" different chips being made to work

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Reply 471 of 532, by Tiido

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Thare are basically no pins that are in the same place, only a few like one ground in a corner. They're completely different and cannot even fit the same socket...

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Reply 472 of 532, by OVERK|LL

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Tiido wrote on 2025-02-08, 13:06:

Thare are basically no pins that are in the same place, only a few like one ground in a corner. They're completely different and cannot even fit the same socket...

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It definitely fits in a socket 7 socket, it easily goes into the Socket 7 board I have here.

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Reply 473 of 532, by gonzo

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Here we go!

On my mainboard shown above, I was able to get a NSC Geode GXm 266 to work stable at 300 MHz.
They are not many things to adjust onboard about this - it's only possible to adjust the multiplier (so those CPUs seems to be not locked). I assume, the board adjusts the CPU-voltage automatically.

About the board itself:

- the FSB is 33 MHz (online there is different info about 33 or 66 MHz for those kind of CPUs)
- it accepts AT or ATX-power
- it has at least PCI version 2.0 - but maybe this is managed by the MediaGX-chip itself, as the PCI-controller is integrated in it
- I think, there is USB 2.0 onboard
- there is an onboard-soundchip Analog Devices AD1819 (disabled because of the using of my Creative Soundblaster PCI 128)
- I was only able to install 256 MB SD-RAM (2x 128 MB), as all tested modules of 256 MB are recognized at half capacity (regardless if single-sided or double-sided) -> I think, this is caused by the MediaGX-chip itself, as the RAM-controller is integrated in it, too. The multiplier for the RAM-frequency depends of the CPU-freqency - in BIOS the highest possible RAM-frequency is 150 MHz or 120 MHz (CPU-Ratio of 1/2 or 1/2,5). Sadly, even using PC-133-RAM, 120 MHz was still not stable (BSOD in Windows), so I had to choose a ratio of 1/3 to reach 100 MHz (again, this is maybe caused by the RAM-controller in the CPU)
- it's not possible to use HDDs of 80 GB (no recognition); I had success with a 20-GB-HDD, so the limit is possibly at 32 GB

Used VGA: a GeForce 4 MX 440SE
Used Soundadapter: Creative Soundblaster PCI 128

To say it directly: the overall-performance in 3D of the system is not great - it's (more or less) similar to a very fast 486-system of 200 MHz, or to a midranged Pentium 1 MMX of about 166-200 MHz. For me, the main reason for this are the integrated RAM- and PCI-controllers in the CPU -> possibly they build the "bottle neck" of the performance, as the feeling with e.g. the overclocked Cyrix M1 (shown above) is many faster in Windows98/ME (in 2D and 3D). Of course, the M1 as well the M II use both the onboard-controller for RAM and PCI. Besides that, there is absolutely no L2-cache present, so this is the next big disadvantage of the system.

About the VGA:
- a GF 2 MX-400 was tested (driver versions 6.31, 8.05, 12.41)
- the GeForce 4 MX 440SE was tested (driver versions 44.04 and 53.04)
For both VGAs and for all driver-versions, the 3D-results are very similar (+/- 1-2 FPS, very close), so the performance of the system is slowed down by the MediaGX-chip itself, and/or by the missing L2-cache, I assume.

About the used software:

- the installation of WinME was perfectly easy
- I had to use the APIC- and IDE-drivers from Phil's Computerlab from this link: https://www.philscomputerlab.com/cyrix-mediagx-cx5530.html
- using 3DMark 2001SE is a joke: all tests show about 1-2 FPS, high-resolution-tests are not possible
- in windows, the driver for the build-in-VGA of the MediaGX is not installed (as I think, its performance will be very weak)
- interestingly, the benchmark in CPU-Z shows a difference of the FPU-performance between this GXm-CPU@300 MHz and a GX1-CPU@300 MHz of about 17 %

The Geode-GX1-chip, shown in the pictures, is until now not tested (crooked pins). So I will try to make it good for use and test if and how far it can go on this board.

BTW, once again, I really doubt about a CPU-converter for the MediaGX for other sockets, as there will be a hardware-collision of the PCI- and RAM-controllers inside of the chip with the onboard-controllers (which can not be disabled).
Anyway, we stay optimistic.

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