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Reply 54900 of 57309, by momaka

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Linoleum wrote on 2024-10-27, 03:06:

Technically, I didn't buy this today, but my father brought it back from the family home. It's the case I used somewhere between 1999-2001 for the first build I did from the ground up with my own money... Was it the build with a Duron or an Athlon, I really can't remember!?

I was hoping to find some info on that case, but couldn't find anything!!

I don't think window cases were much of a thing back in 99 or 2000. (Or I could be wrong?) I also don't remember silver and blue-silver colors on beige cases appearing mostly until late 2000 or early 2001. So my guess would be the case (and build) must be from 2001 or maybe even 2002.

AGP4LIfe? wrote on 2024-10-26, 23:00:

And it does!! Scary stuff! As there seems to be some slight surface damage to the silicon. 😬

Aw, that looks minimal damage... though it is towards the middle edges of the chip, which is a bit more scary indeed.

You should see the Celeron 667 MHz I tested the other day that I got with a scrapper-picked board - the "square" die is almost circular in shape now. 🤣 When I first saw it, I thought, no way this will work, so I put it in a dead s370 mobo just to see what it will do. It did nothing - no smoke or any other funny business. The dead board was happily supplying it with 1.8V (due to dead clockgen chip and reset line constantly resetting, causing the CPU VRM to output higher than usual voltage) and that was it. So I put it in another s370 board (that needed testing), crossed my fingers, and... it worked just fine. 😁
Makes one wonder how/why did Intel "waste" so much silicon on the die when much less is used from it. These days with modern stuff, you so much but scratch a core slightly, and you can forget about the chip ever working anymore.

ciornyi wrote on 2024-10-26, 15:45:

Overclocking is always lottery , you can buy overclocking componets and get nothing aswell as get dirt cheap components and get outstanding result .

Indeed.
I have an Athlon 64 FX-57 and I can't get it to OC to even 3 GHz (from base 2.8 GHz) with stock voltage. I haven't tried with higher V_core... but given how rare of a chip it is, I'm won't be playing these silly OC games with it.
On the other hand, just about every Athlon 64 3000+ and 3200+ Venice core I've come across will happily do up to 2.4-2.6 GHz on stock voltage with the stock heatsink - i.e. nearly matching (if not surpassing) the speed/performance of A64 4000+. Of course, this is only doable if you have a mobo that has options to adjust HT link speed/multiplier.
So for those building socket 939 system, I say don't waste your money on a 3800+ or 4000+ CPU. A 3000/3200/3500+ Venice core will almost always let you beat those with an OC.

Antieon wrote on 2024-10-24, 17:32:

2006 called, asked if I wanted a New Old Stock case for $18... couldn't say no.

Nice!
I miss silver cases from the early/mid 2000's.
What I don't miss (and won't ever) is case doors - ugh!
Seems like they would always get in the way of things and eventually people would accidentally break them off. Then you go buy a used case with those and it just looks fugly.
In that regard, I think I'll give the award for "most useless design case door" to Dell... the Optiplex GX-270 series (IIRC). These had a small hatch on the front to lift up to access the front USB ports. I just about every office and university I've seen these, the hatch was broken off / ripped away. Also, I wonder who though of putting the front USB ports to face downwards at an angle and hidden and then think it's a good design idea. I mean, sure, it did make the (rather large) USB stick of the time to stick out less, making it less likely to break one. But the "mini towers" were often placed on the floor, making it very difficult to insert anything in the front USB ports. On the plus side, I can't tell you how many forgotten USB sticks I have found this way. Always returned them to the "Lost & Found" box, though.

Wes1262 wrote on 2024-10-26, 10:33:

Finally! Got myself an x850XT PE
It took so long to find one..... PCIE, not AGP, but happy nevertheless.
Crossing fingers it works....

Nice!
Still can't believe even these are hard to find now. 7-10 years ago when I used to browse the bay, these were at rock-bottom scrap prices working or otherwise, particularly the PCI-E versions... because, who'd want a top-end early PCI-E card? 😁 And a little before that, AGP cards like the Radeon 9700/9800 were in similar waters. Can't tell you how many R300 GPU's I've passed that were going for no more than $5-10 (and sometimes barely even making it over $1).
How times change.

Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-26, 11:36:

hrmmm has dead in the image file name ...not a good omen 🤣

Haha, that's a hilarious find. 🤣
I'm willing to bet that it does work. Seems that ATI kind of started learning their lesson from the # of dead 9700/9800 GPUs. So for the x850 cards, the "dust blower" fan and heatsink assy. they used was much more inline with the TDP of the card.

Reply 54901 of 57309, by stamasd

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The motherboard is a PC Chips M960G https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/pcchips-m960g chipset SiS661FX, s478, with a celeron-D 335 on it and 512MB of DDR-400.
There is no video output from either the IGP (SiS315) or from an AGP card. No beep codes. Keyboard LEDs don't flash when I power it up.
The codes on the POST card mean "reset signal was detected 3 or more times" and I get consistently the same code on power-up. The CMOS battery is new, just installed.
When powered up, the chipset does get warm, so does the CPU (it's a PresHott after all 😀 )

(I basically bought that just because I didn't have a s478 mobo with SiS chipset and was curious how it performs)

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54902 of 57309, by myne

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Pull battery.
Wash.
Dry.
If no change, try bios recovery procedure.

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Reply 54903 of 57309, by stamasd

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The motherboard has already been cleaned (not that it needed to be, it was very clean to begin with)
I do not know the BIOS recovery procedure for this motherboard.

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54904 of 57309, by Trashbytes

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stamasd wrote on 2024-10-27, 06:45:
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The motherboard is a PC Chips M960G https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/pcchips-m960g chipset SiS661FX, s478, with a celeron-D 335 on it and 512MB of DDR-400.
There is no video output from either the IGP (SiS315) or from an AGP card. No beep codes. Keyboard LEDs don't flash when I power it up.
The codes on the POST card mean "reset signal was detected 3 or more times" and I get consistently the same code on power-up. The CMOS battery is new, just installed.
When powered up, the chipset does get warm, so does the CPU (it's a PresHott after all 😀 )

(I basically bought that just because I didn't have a s478 mobo with SiS chipset and was curious how it performs)

My colour vision sucks but I swear that is a really nice pink PCB or is it red ?

Reply 54905 of 57309, by myne

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It's light red!

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10154842173 … anity=redvsblue

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Reply 54906 of 57309, by stamasd

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It's red.
I tried a generic AMI bios recovery procedure; it doesn't work because the motherboard doesn't even try to access a floppy drive at power-on.

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54907 of 57309, by myne

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Bios is removable at least.
Got another board for a hot flash?

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Reply 54908 of 57309, by stamasd

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No other board with this type of socket. And while I do have a TL866, I do not have a PLCC32 adapter for it.

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54909 of 57309, by myne

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Well at least the adapters are cheap.
I still say wash it again.
Dishwasher with no soap has fixed quite a few dead things for me.

Multimeter?
Caps all look OK?
Components all look undamaged?

Pics?

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Reply 54910 of 57309, by PcBytes

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Tried forcing a checksum error? I'm not really sure if it applies to AMI, but usually forcing a checksum error by shorting address lines employs a bootblock of some sort I'd assume? At least I know Award does that.

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Reply 54911 of 57309, by stamasd

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Caps and all components look fine, the board overall looks pristine and almost unused.
Well I ordered an adapter, and as is the case with ebay purchases it'll get here between next week and next year. 😀
(the adapter cost half as much as the whole motherboard; $8 including shipping, and I paid $16 for the motherboard)

I/O, I/O,
It's off to disk I go,
With a bit and a byte
And a read and a write,
I/O, I/O

Reply 54912 of 57309, by myne

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Oh 🤣.
I was thinking more like half that
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/134744946189?_skw … ABk9SR_yXuM_ZZA

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Reply 54913 of 57309, by Trashbytes

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stamasd wrote on 2024-10-27, 07:34:

It's red.
I tried a generic AMI bios recovery procedure; it doesn't work because the motherboard doesn't even try to access a floppy drive at power-on.

You know what .. it looks like a pink colour to me and yup its weird but I do like that colour for PC parts, weirldy have a Iwin case for a ITX PC that is pink.

Reply 54914 of 57309, by PcBytes

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Today's scores:

- NMC 5VMMX - interesting SS7 ATX mobo, needs caps.
- Quantum Sirocco 2550AT - dead unfortunately 🙁

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Reply 54915 of 57309, by PD2JK

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5VMMX is an interesting name for a SS7 board!

i386 16 ⇒ i486 DX4 100 ⇒ Pentium MMX 200 ⇒ Athlon Pluto 700 ⇒ AthlonXP 1700+ ⇒ Opteron 165 ⇒ Dual Opteron 856

Reply 54916 of 57309, by Trashbytes

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PD2JK wrote on 2024-10-27, 11:56:

5VMMX is an interesting name for a SS7 board!

Runs 5volt CPUs and support MMX cpus perhaps.

Reply 54917 of 57309, by PcBytes

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Indeed it is. The EPoX counterpart is 99% this:

https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/epox-p … ix-ep-51mvp3e-m

The only difference on mine is the VRM, slightly. That, and it asks for some strange BIOS password... no, the specific EPOX BIOS password doesn't seem to work.

Upside: 1MB cache!

All in all, I might make this my main MVP3 board - I have a K6-II+ 500 waiting for it, as well as some nice period-correct drives 🤣

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Reply 54918 of 57309, by PD2JK

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-27, 12:14:
PD2JK wrote on 2024-10-27, 11:56:

5VMMX is an interesting name for a SS7 board!

Runs 5volt CPUs and support MMX cpus perhaps.

Yes, but don't all SS7 boards support MMX? If so, that's what makes it a bit 'funny'.
5V socket 7 CPUs don't exist.

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Reply 54919 of 57309, by Trashbytes

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PD2JK wrote on 2024-10-27, 12:53:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-10-27, 12:14:
PD2JK wrote on 2024-10-27, 11:56:

5VMMX is an interesting name for a SS7 board!

Runs 5volt CPUs and support MMX cpus perhaps.

Yes, but don't all SS7 boards support MMX? If so, that's what makes it a bit 'funny'.
5V socket 7 CPUs don't exist.

True . .it was just a guess based on the name, It does make sense aside from the points you make 🤣