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Reply 60 of 73, by Joseph_Joestar

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I got this X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro (SB046A) for 20 EUR from my local classifieds. It was simply advertised as an "X-Fi PCI sound card", and the model number on the front was SB0460. However, inspecting the label on the back revealed SB046A in the serial number, which translates to the aforementioned Fatal1ty model per Creative's list. And sure enough, this card has 64 MB X-RAM on board (confirmed by Prey's console output) as well as the big LED in the shape of a stylized "F" which glows red when the card is powered on. Here's a period correct review of that particular model. BTW, I kinda dig the "golden" PCI bracket. 😀

Oh and, in case anyone's wondering about the blob of white paint in the bottom left corner, the card suffered some damage in that section, likely due to improper storage by the previous owner(s). From what I can tell, some electrolyte leaked onto that area of the PCB, probably from a different piece of hardware that was stacked on top of it. I didn't notice this in the seller's pictures, as the affected area is fairly small, but it was evident once I held the card in my hands. Fortunately, no traces have been severed and the nearby SMD components remain undamaged. Though I may need to reflow the solder of the nearest chip as it looks a bit dry. I cleaned up the damaged area with white vinegar and isopropyl alcohol, then painted over the exposed copper bits with some nail polish to prevent further corrosion. Not exactly pretty, but it does the job for now.

Anyway, I popped the card into this system today to try it out under WinXP. I've uninstalled the Audigy 2 ZS drivers on that OS and then used this driver CD to set up the X-Fi. Preliminary testing with Prey, Unreal Tournament 3 and Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow indicates that everything is working fine, with full 5.1 surround sound being delivered. All in all, I'm pretty happy with this purchase. I think I might leave the X-Fi in this build, solely for WinXP gaming, while keeping the Audigy 2 ZS as a Win9x sound card.

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I'd really like to get the corresponding front panel for this X-Fi, but they seem to be very rare in my neck of the woods. On eBay, I did find a few of them offered together with the card, but the prices were too steep for my liking, especially when shipping and customs costs get added.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 61 of 73, by The Serpent Rider

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Chances are, you probably can get X-Fi Elite external console cheaper. It is compatible with all standard X-Fi PCI cards.

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Reply 62 of 73, by Joseph_Joestar

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2024-12-27, 22:18:

Chances are, you probably can get X-Fi Elite external console cheaper. It is compatible with all standard X-Fi PCI cards.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.

Is the AD_LINK pinout known, in case I run into an external console without the cable? I think I may have seen a few of those locally.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 63 of 73, by Joseph_Joestar

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I'm currently experimenting with the various utilities that came on the X-Fi driver CD and demo disc. I've discussed the latter here and was pleasantly surprised with what it offered. In general, I find that these early PCI X-Fi discs had more interesting utilities and demos than the installation CDs of the later PCIe models, which offered just the drivers. For example, the 3D Midi Player looks fun:

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It's amusing to hear the instruments swirl around you while playing, but I'm not sure what would be the practical application. A bit gimicky, but also kinda neat. Additionally, Creative shipped their 28MB soundfont on this driver CD. Too bad it's apparently broken in several ways.

Another utility of interest (which wasn't on the CD) is the ALCapsViewer:

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I think it originally came from Creative's OpenAL website, but nowadays, it can be downloaded from here. Useful if you need to know the exact OpenAL device name of your card, i.e. for putting it inside the INI file of a game. I seem to recall either Mass Effect or Gears of War needing that under some circumstances.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 64 of 73, by Jackhead

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Nice build! i also use the E8600 for my win98 system, really good single core performance!

Dos 6.22: Asus VL/I-486SV2GX4 Rev 2.0 1Mb L2 - A5x86 X5 P75 - 64MB - AHA-2842A VLB - ET4000W32P VLB - CT2230 - GUS ACE - MPU-401AT with YucatanFX
Win98SE: Asus P5K-WS - E8600 @ 4,5GHz - Strange God Voodoo 5 6000 PCI-X - 2GB DDR2 1066 - Audigy 2 ZS

Reply 65 of 73, by Joseph_Joestar

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Jackhead wrote on 2025-01-01, 14:42:

Nice build! i also use the E8600 for my win98 system, really good single core performance!

Thank you!

And yeah, it's great being able to play late Win9x games without worrying about the CPU being a bottleneck. For example, Deus Ex is notoriously CPU demanding, but it flies with the E8600 even on the largest outdoor maps.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 66 of 73, by Jackhead

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some people say win98 over 2ghz cpu runs bad, but i never got any problems and even running on 4,5GHz. I playtrough some 3dfx games and got not a single crash or bluescreen.

Dos 6.22: Asus VL/I-486SV2GX4 Rev 2.0 1Mb L2 - A5x86 X5 P75 - 64MB - AHA-2842A VLB - ET4000W32P VLB - CT2230 - GUS ACE - MPU-401AT with YucatanFX
Win98SE: Asus P5K-WS - E8600 @ 4,5GHz - Strange God Voodoo 5 6000 PCI-X - 2GB DDR2 1066 - Audigy 2 ZS

Reply 67 of 73, by Joseph_Joestar

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Jackhead wrote on 2025-01-02, 08:32:

some people say win98 over 2ghz cpu runs bad, but i never got any problems and even running on 4,5GHz. I playtrough some 3dfx games and got not a single crash or bluescreen.

I haven't noticed any issues either, at least so far.

But then again, I mostly play Win9x games released during the 1999-2001 period on this system. It's possible that some older titles may behave differently.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 68 of 73, by RetroPCCupboard

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2025-01-02, 09:27:
Jackhead wrote on 2025-01-02, 08:32:

some people say win98 over 2ghz cpu runs bad, but i never got any problems and even running on 4,5GHz. I playtrough some 3dfx games and got not a single crash or bluescreen.

I haven't noticed any issues either, at least so far.

But then again, I mostly play Win9x games released during the 1999-2001 period on this system. It's possible that some older titles may behave differently.

Have you tried Expendable, Viper Racing and Giants Citizen Kabuto? I had issues with those three on faster machines.

Expendable complains about the CPU I think. Viper racing I think the car wouldn't move, and Giants didn't respond correctly to the mouse.

Reply 69 of 73, by GemCookie

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Jackhead wrote on 2025-01-02, 08:32:

some people say win98 over 2ghz cpu runs bad, but i never got any problems and even running on 4,5GHz. I playtrough some 3dfx games and got not a single crash or bluescreen.

This only applies to Windows 95 and 98 FE without patches.

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Reply 70 of 73, by Joseph_Joestar

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RetroPCCupboard wrote on 2025-01-02, 11:13:

Have you tried Expendable, Viper Racing and Giants Citizen Kabuto? I had issues with those three on faster machines.

Expendable complains about the CPU I think. Viper racing I think the car wouldn't move, and Giants didn't respond correctly to the mouse.

Don't have Viper Racing, and I can't remember if I ever tried Expendable on this system. I did briefly install Giants last year while doing some EAX testing. It was a very short test, and I didn't play for more than a few minutes, but I can't recall having any issues with the mouse.

If you want, I may be able to take another look at Expendable and Giants on this rig sometime next week.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi

Reply 71 of 73, by RetroPCCupboard

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2025-01-02, 12:30:

If you want, I may be able to take another look at Expendable and Giants on this rig sometime next week.

Don't worry, it was more of a question than a request. There may well be other causes for the issues I described.

Reply 72 of 73, by Jackhead

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RetroPCCupboard wrote on 2025-01-02, 11:13:
Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2025-01-02, 09:27:
Jackhead wrote on 2025-01-02, 08:32:

some people say win98 over 2ghz cpu runs bad, but i never got any problems and even running on 4,5GHz. I playtrough some 3dfx games and got not a single crash or bluescreen.

I haven't noticed any issues either, at least so far.

But then again, I mostly play Win9x games released during the 1999-2001 period on this system. It's possible that some older titles may behave differently.

Have you tried Expendable, Viper Racing and Giants Citizen Kabuto? I had issues with those three on faster machines.

Expendable complains about the CPU I think. Viper racing I think the car wouldn't move, and Giants didn't respond correctly to the mouse.

I have Giant Citizen Kabuto, will give it a try!

edit: installed with patch 1.4 ,i have no problems with the mouse so far.

Dos 6.22: Asus VL/I-486SV2GX4 Rev 2.0 1Mb L2 - A5x86 X5 P75 - 64MB - AHA-2842A VLB - ET4000W32P VLB - CT2230 - GUS ACE - MPU-401AT with YucatanFX
Win98SE: Asus P5K-WS - E8600 @ 4,5GHz - Strange God Voodoo 5 6000 PCI-X - 2GB DDR2 1066 - Audigy 2 ZS

Reply 73 of 73, by Joseph_Joestar

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RetroPCCupboard wrote on 2025-01-02, 12:42:
Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2025-01-02, 12:30:

If you want, I may be able to take another look at Expendable and Giants on this rig sometime next week.

Don't worry, it was more of a question than a request. There may well be other causes for the issues I described.

I had some time to test this today. Giants patched to 1.4 ran fine on my system, no issues with the mouse. Expendable crashed while loading the first level. I did a search on that and found this thread. As instructed there, I was able to get rid of the crash by creating a new shortcut to go.exe and running it with the -nocputest parameter. The game worked fine after that.

In other news, I had to pull the X-Fi from this rig. For some reason, its presence caused problems for the Audigy 2 ZS under WinME, making known good games like Baldur's Gate 2 stutter and crash. Removing the X-Fi (without changing anything else) solved the issue. I'm guessing having both sound cards installed at the same time overwhelmed the PCI bus on this particular chipset, or something like that.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / YMF719 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 2100+ / ECS K7VTA3 / Voodoo3 / Audigy2 / Vortex2
PC#3: Core 2 Duo E8600 / Foxconn P35AX-S / X800 / Audigy2 ZS
PC#4: i5-3570K / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 970 / X-Fi