wierd_w wrote on 2026-07-22, 20:40:

So, the prior discourse on 'they will offer rented hardware' has a reality that has come to pass.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/4200023 … larna-deal.html

(Naturally, *it's Apple that's adopted it first, because they're 'so brave* but i'm sure the other bigbox makers will follow that pioneered path with gusto soon enough.)

They were all just waiting for the first one to take that step, we all know how it works.

Ddr4 -3200 isn't horribly priced on the used market.

I am seeing 8GB sticks for about $25 each and 16GB sticks for as low as $50 each.

Not great, but not horrible either.

This is on eBay.

cyclone3d wrote on 2026-07-23, 00:41:

Ddr4 -3200 isn't horribly priced on the used market. […]
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Ddr4 -3200 isn't horribly priced on the used market.

I am seeing 8GB sticks for about $25 each and 16GB sticks for as low as $50 each.

Not great, but not horrible either.

This is on eBay.

Just remember eBay can be hit and miss for pricing, one week you get a glut of cheap DDR4 and the next you get a glut of stupidly priced DDR4.

Its worth sitting on listings to see if anything better priced comes along.

Trashbytes wrote on 2026-07-23, 00:45:

cyclone3d wrote on 2026-07-23, 00:41:

Ddr4 -3200 isn't horribly priced on the used market. […]
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Ddr4 -3200 isn't horribly priced on the used market.

I am seeing 8GB sticks for about $25 each and 16GB sticks for as low as $50 each.

Not great, but not horrible either.

This is on eBay.

Just remember eBay can be hit and miss for pricing, one week you get a glut of cheap DDR4 and the next you get a glut of stupidly priced DDR4.

Its worth sitting on listings to see if anything better priced comes along.

For sure.

I'm glad I stocked up on high end (tight timing) DDR4-3200 and higher when it was cheaper.

Still, good deals come along every once in a while, but it is a lot easier to get good pricing if you just want more standard RAM.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the massive price fluctuations are mostly due to eBay's suggested pricing trash. They suggest the absolute highest price an item has sold for in a certain amount of time.

cyclone3d wrote on 2026-07-23, 01:27:

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Trashbytes wrote on 2026-07-23, 00:45:

cyclone3d wrote on 2026-07-23, 00:41:

Ddr4 -3200 isn't horribly priced on the used market. […]
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Ddr4 -3200 isn't horribly priced on the used market.

I am seeing 8GB sticks for about $25 each and 16GB sticks for as low as $50 each.

Not great, but not horrible either.

This is on eBay.

Just remember eBay can be hit and miss for pricing, one week you get a glut of cheap DDR4 and the next you get a glut of stupidly priced DDR4.

Its worth sitting on listings to see if anything better priced comes along.

For sure.

I'm glad I stocked up on high end (tight timing) DDR4-3200 and higher when it was cheaper.

Still, good deals come along every once in a while, but it is a lot easier to get good pricing if you just want more standard RAM.

Edit: I'm pretty sure the massive price fluctuations are mostly due to eBay's suggested pricing trash. They suggest the absolute highest price an item has sold for in a certain amount of time.

Yeah I suspect its that too, it swings like a pendulum and I just sit and watch for the dip on DDR4 or really any item in the tech listings, they all tend to follow the swing. DDR3 right now seems to be generating a lot of interest and its prices are going up ...sooo if you need any I would grab it before it shoots through the roof.

That said I did snag 64Gb of DDR4 3200 C16 a while back for a couple of hundred, I don't normally touch DDR4 but 250 for high speed DDR4 in that capacity in this market was worth grabbing.

Edit - Not 4000 ..was 3200

Trashbytes wrote on 2026-07-23, 00:03:

wierd_w wrote on 2026-07-22, 20:40:

So, the prior discourse on 'they will offer rented hardware' has a reality that has come to pass.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/4200023 … larna-deal.html

(Naturally, *it's Apple that's adopted it first, because they're 'so brave* but i'm sure the other bigbox makers will follow that pioneered path with gusto soon enough.)

They were all just waiting for the first one to take that step, we all know how it works.

Looks likey they already plan to remind users who owns the hardware. Dont worry, the other makers will see apple users eating the poison and claimimg its the finest meal they ever had, and rush to get in on it.

https://9to5mac.com/2026/07/21/ios-27-code-su … issed-payments/

Amazon gaming boss predicts future where players no longer need consoles

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9803j74091o

@wierd_w Hey, I'm an Macintosh user too but I would never accept that! 🥲
I don't even use an iPhone, nor do I use a cellphone with a SIM lock.

The reason I went for a Mac is because of macOS, because there are merely three major OSes to choose from (Win, Lin, OSX).
Windows is already software-as-a-service, Linux is being run by radicals and Mac OS X used to be somwhere in the middle.

All three of them are going to be ruined by "A.I.", however.
Windows is a self-booting spyware (CoPilot/Recall), the Linux creator wants AI in kernel development, and macOS gets more and more AI features.
Except here in Europe, were they remain disabled for now. 🙏

The case of an iPhone or a Macbook Neo is that of a luxury item and a status symbol, I think.
People who buy it or rent it are same people who rent a prestigious car, I assume.
It's not so much about owning but about a certain lifestyle.
The situation is more fashion like, basically.

That's different to Mac users who simply want a computer/OS to have peace in mind with.
A Mac mini or Mac Studio is not something you can carry around for fashion's sake.

Edit: BSD is still an option, but it has to use Linux ports of software in many cases.
On macOS, it's also possible to have access to *nix software via MacPorts or Homebrew.

Jo22 wrote on 2026-07-23, 19:29:

Windows is already software-as-a-service, Linux is being run by radicals and Mac OS X used to be somwhere in the middle.

Radicals… interesting take.

I’d rather say it’s being ruined by corporatism. Systemd has already infested and taken over great deals of userland. Great risk and liability is concentrated there. It is something that must be destroyed with fire.

The git in charge of kernel development is no “radical” imo, but I strongly believe he is compromised given what he has been up to lately.

Seems like bsd remains the only sane option.

Although, my dream is to see an old 2.4 or 2.6 based tree revived and vulnerability fixed so that we can run sane software on our stashes of sane hardware 😀

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Jo22 wrote on 2026-07-23, 19:29:

Windows is already software-as-a-service, Linux is being run by radicals and Mac OS X used to be somwhere in the middle.

Radicals… interesting take.

I’d rather say it’s being ruined by corporatism. Systemd has already infested and taken over great deals of userland. Great risk and liability is concentrated there. It is something that must be destroyed with fire.

The git in charge of kernel development is no “radical” imo, but I strongly believe he is compromised given what he has been up to lately.

Seems like bsd remains the only sane option.

Although, my dream is to see an old 2.4 or 2.6 based tree revived and vulnerability fixed so that we can run sane software on our stashes of sane hardware 😀

SystemD IIRC is developed by a Microsoft Developer in their spare time ..stands to reason they would be fully on board with infecting Linux with this ID bullshit.

As for the Kernel ...Linus has already said that if we don't like AI being injected into it we are free to go fork it, Torvalds himself is a big supporter of this AI garbage.

As for the rest of the shenanigans ..well Linux is so big that its bound to have a great many people working on it all with conflicting views, ideologies and corporate interests.

My advice ...find a Distro that you can live with and stick to it, if it get infected with rot that you don't agree with .. find another. (Personally I would make sure it doesn't update automatically and only ever doe sit if you allow it or do it yourself manually. I still tun Win11 23H2 this way, it will never update on its own and is locked down to 23H2 so hard it believes its Windows XP.

Y'all are terribly misinformed about systemd and a lot of other stuff you mentionned...

The hubristic prat behind systemd is perhaps the main cause of all the problems, and no, it's not Microsoft.

I do not want more than 90% of what it does.

All sorts of stuff depending on this pile of slop also makes it more and more difficult to get rid of it, so much so that slackware 15 has to ship a neutered version of the thing just to be able to function.

I have no interest in such a "pid -1" virus taking over my networking, dns, ntp, device configuration, syslogging, tmp-fileing (especially the /home nuking version), logins, consoles, cryptography, cron jobs, hostnames for example.

And something cucky like systemd-aged has no business being near any sovereign person's linux install.

The init system must boot and get out of the way, much like sysv init did.

The parallel startup non-feature that drove its mass adoption is mostly bullshit anyway - how often do you boot a box and do you really care if it boots in 1 minute or 2?