But, I did find a working creative sb cd-drive 😁
???
What 3 install disks?
It's a single file (SSBASIC.EXE), which unpacks itself. Then you run INSTALL.EXE
I got the drivers from this vogons post Creative Labs Sound Blaster ISA Cards' Drivers Collection (Old Thread)
That's cute, but me and DK spent quite some time trying to point you in the right direction...
I ran sbbasic already and it did nothing!
wrote:I ran sbbasic already and it did nothing!
So it didn't unpack itself?
Are you 100% sure?
okay I copy the sbbasic to the c drive and I run it, here is what happens depending on what os is running windows 98: "This installer cannot run under windows 95" windows 98 dos prompt:"This installer cannot run under windows 95" dos6.22 boot disk: nothing happens, because It can't find the c: drive.
SBBASIC.EXE is for DOS, why are you running it from Windows???
From your point of view, what is MS-DOS? What do you do to get to MS-DOS on your machine?
Either from doing a "restart in ms-dos" from the shutdown menu or by rebooting the computer with an ms-dos 6.22 boot disk and booting from the boot disk.
he's saying, the sbbasic installer can't run under DOS 7.x.... which is what the Win9x command.com is, even when you boot into "command prompt only"
and DOS 6.22 won't work because it can't see FAT32
the only work around is to install it under DOS 6.22 on a FAT12/16 drive (NOT the hard drive that has the working OS, because that'll blow everything away!), then copy the files over, including the autoexec/config files (make sure you backup the old ones of course)
I don't think setver.exe will work in cases like this.. installer is too smart 😉
and yes, I know freedos can do FAT32, but based on his skill level that I have observed so far, it will be too much pain in the ass to even bother with freedos (I hated working with it myself)
Ok from now on:
If we say DOS: You do "restart in ms-dos".
So when you run SSBASIC.EXE from DOS, do you still get the "This installer cannot run under windows 95" message?
wrote:That's cute, but me and DK spent quite some time trying to point you in the right direction...
🤣 🤣 🤣
What's the old saying about leading a horse to water?
I have no idea why you are having trouble with sbbasic.exe, I just ran it under windows XP and it extracted fine. You then need to run the install.exe file that it extracts. Get it from the creative site, not the VOGONs thread.
*grabs the popcorn*
it's too easy to forget how hard DOS was to use/learn as a n00b back in the 80s/90s
I can see the pains the guy is going through now trying to get something so simple to work
That is true but his posts can be rather vague and unclear which isn't making it easy to assist him.
Perhaps at this point a good idea would be to whack in a spare hard drive and install DOS on that. Leave the windows stuff until after all the dos stuff is sorted out and you know how it works. Start from a clean slate so we're all on the same page.
If you are squeamish, don't prod the beach rubble.
Okay, but if I install dos on a new hd then I won't be able to test the settings using doom because the version of doom I have is on cd and I only have cd doom games.
What CDROM drive do you have?
Getting an IDE CDROM drive to work under DOS is actually quite easy.
I assume you will be installing DOS 6.22? This includes the MSCDEX.EXE file which you will need.
You should FORMAT your drive before installing DOS, just to make sure we're starting on a clean slate. (make sure there's nothing on it that you want to keep).
Once DOS is installed on your hard disk, download this file and place it in the root of your C drive.
Now edit your CONFIG.SYS file and place this at the end:
DEVICEHIGH=C:\UIDEJR.SYS /D:CDROM
Save that, and edit your AUTOEXEc.BAT file and add this at the end:
LH C:\DOS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:CDROM
Save the file, reboot, you should have a D drive which is your CDROM.
If your CDROM is NOT a standard 40 pin IDE/ATAPI drive then this probably won't work. There are other drivers to try as well. If you decide to go this route and it doesn't work, please post your CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files here, and tell us the exact model number of the CDROM drive 😀
If you are squeamish, don't prod the beach rubble.
Okay, I will try this. But, for now I'm gonna give this a rest because I'm tired of all this stuff for today.
wrote:post count is irrelevant, people can have good, valid opinions regardless of their post count.
Besides, he is correct, all Windows variants before Windows 95 ran on top of DOS.
If you are installing straight from the floppies onto a blank hard drive, you should try installing DOS first then install Windows 3.1
Windows 95 and 98 also run on top of DOS.
wrote:wrote:Oh, um well... would windows 98se be a good platform?
Yes, but that is just my opinion. I consider a Windows 3.1 machine a dead end. Windows 98 would cover all those years for DOS and Windows gaming. There are probably some limitations, but those come from the hardware you are using. It's too damn fast for early 90's. P3 500 is Q1 1999... So you get the picture...
Windows 3.1 is definitely dead. I just witnessed the demise of one of the last die hard Win3.1 users groups on Google groups recently. I had just joined up a few weeks before and it was already pretty much dead by then. The last few people who cared at all about Win3.1 just stopped showing up. It's too hard to do anything with 3.1 anymore. At least with a Win98SE system you can still have a reasonably useful system for other things besides DOS and early Windows games. The Win3.1 apps are just too far behind to be of any use at all.
