RiscPC. old ram, 486s etc were cheap then 😀

gerry wrote on 2021-06-15, 15:48:

I'm trying to think of things from 2009 that could be properly considered retro or vintage; phones with sliding screens and qwerty keyboards? blackberry? Stable economy?*

*admittedly never that stable, but at least there was something for a while pre 2008!

I'd say a Blackberry is retro / vintage... but it looks like pre-Android Blackberries (the real Blackberries) will stop functioning next January. Hard to imagine using a Blackberry offline...

How about a Palm Pre?

2019 feels retro by now, back in the day when you could buy new graphics cards for ok prices.

bZbZbZ wrote on 2021-06-15, 17:27:

gerry wrote on 2021-06-15, 15:48:

I'm trying to think of things from 2009 that could be properly considered retro or vintage; phones with sliding screens and qwerty keyboards? blackberry? Stable economy?*

*admittedly never that stable, but at least there was something for a while pre 2008!

I'd say a Blackberry is retro / vintage... but it looks like pre-Android Blackberries (the real Blackberries) will stop functioning next January. Hard to imagine using a Blackberry offline...

How about a Palm Pre?

i didn't know blackberry's were about to enter EOL

palm pre qualifies, i wonder if there is something like a 'very old phones on new networks' forum somewhere that likes these phones and makes sure they keep on working

I never thought I'd say this, but Win7 does kinda feel retro these days. I still have an offline Win7 machine at work that I occasionally use to run specific hardware and software. And if I happen to switch to it right after using one of the Win10 or Catalina boxes, then without fail, I immediately start hearing the Beatles' Yesterday in my mind. 😜

it's actually Aero glass of all things that feels the most "retro." To me, at least.

chinny22 wrote on 2021-06-15, 09:06:

Here's hoping they bring back a proper start menu (they wont)

Here’s your sneak peek

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/15/22535123/m … _source=twitter

windows continues the trend of getting more unusable as a desktop. I hated the tiles so maybe thats an improvement even though its polishing a turd.

liqmat wrote on 2021-06-16, 03:42:

chinny22 wrote on 2021-06-15, 09:06:

Here's hoping they bring back a proper start menu (they wont)

Here’s your sneak peek

https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/15/22535123/m … _source=twitter

I'm actually really, really excited about this.

Didn't Mickysoft say that Windows 10 was going the veeeeeeeeeeery last version of MS Windows a few years back?

Looks like Cinnamon on this Linux Mint Debian Edition box. With a fancy background image. Oooooo look at those round/curved corners man. Kaaawl dude.

But I guess we all have to get excited about something. Each to their own and all that......

Still looks flat, but I'll take it.

Live tiles and massive icons gone, I wont miss them.
It's not tooo different to how I've got my pinned shortcuts on the work laptop

Still looks like you have to scroll though endless shortcuts in the "All Apps" section to see what a new program actually installed which is my major complaint about this style of menu.

There is a "recently added" section at the top of the start menu, but I have no idea how the algorithm determines what exactly to put there and how long to keep it.

chinny22 wrote on 2021-06-16, 08:53:

Live tiles and massive icons gone, I wont miss them.

This is all I've asked for since Windows 8. Thanks the heavens, our prayers have been answered !
So long tiles and wasted space icons,may they burn the asshole of the """designer""" who though of them in the first place, forever !

I might actually give Windows 11 a try but I'm still passing on 10 I just can't stand it so I'll be sticking to 7 ultimate for now

I bet it won't work on anything without UEFI support.

I'd be shocked if it ran on my 775 system. I've been planing a Ryzen build the past few days but the lack of affordable graphics cards is kinda killing my plan

chrismeyer6 wrote on 2021-06-16, 13:39:

I'd be shocked if it ran on my 775 system. I've been planing a Ryzen build the past few days but the lack of affordable graphics cards is kinda killing my plan

I will be shocked if it doesn't run on my lga 775 systems

I'd give it a shot honestly what's the harm. Even if I build a new system I'm still going to keep my E8600 775 system as I love that system and it still performs everything I do daily with ease and speed

Maybe it will also run with a Third Party EFI Loader

chinny22 wrote on 2021-06-15, 15:24:

I missed the memo but seems like anything pre millennial is now simply a boomer? But hey we have boomer shooters, why not boomer […]
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Jo22 wrote on 2021-06-15, 11:54:

Seriously, let's stop thinking in years - let's think in generations! 👍

I missed the memo but seems like anything pre millennial is now simply a boomer?
But hey we have boomer shooters, why not boomer OS!

PS I'm not grumpy, its just kids today do everything wrong 😉

Hi, I wasn't thinking about you in particular. 😅
When I said "we", I included myself as well.

What I was refering to: PC technology doesn't always evolve equally fast.
So "years" are not the best unit for measurement; unlike, generations, maybe.
For example: Development of Vista did take a long time, making XP the "current" Windows for about a decade.
In the 80s and 90s, a new Windows was release every 2-3 years.
And in the 90s, in the worst case, a PC could be obsolete after 6 months, even.

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But yeah "boomer tech". I mentioned that in my CB radio thread.
That's a term that I've seen quite a few times recently on the interwebs. 🙃
On the other hand, the baby boomer thing was a thing of the 1940s-60s, I heard.
So to my understanding, it applies to technology that was popular or made during their teenage/adult hood. 60s, 70s, 80s, maybe 90s.
Maybe even refers to technology which boomers developed themselves in their 10s/20s/30s etc or which they worked with.

Anyway, the whole generation thing as such allows for a lot of interpretation. 🤣
The transition is also rather smooth, a detail that gets ignored too often.
Like it is with fashion. The spirit/fashion of, say, the 70s didn't end in 01.01.1980, but slowly faded affterwards.
Nevertheless, generations as such exist. It's, however, more about cultural identity than years or genetics. 😉

And the country someone living in also affects him/her/they.
Some people in, say, parts of the eastern Europe experienced western 80s culture in the 90s first time, for example.
And some people can identify themselves with a generation that either predates them or came after them.
It's all relative, thus. That's why social experts are constantly creating new categories, I assume. 🤣

That being said, that's a topic that's very complex.
And it's very hard to turn into absolute numbers.
It could be discussed for weeks or months.

PS: The term "millennial" is also very simplifying (it roughly spans 2,5+ decades).
That would mean that my sisters and me are from the same gen. *shudder*

The culture or zeitgeist in which X, Y, Z grew up was not exactly the same, I assure you.
Just like the 50s and 70s were different eras. Or the 1920s and the 1940s.
While we all do share some similarities and things do overlap,
our childhood in particular may have been very different each.
Thus our mentality and the way we think does drastically vary at times (but sometimes it's the same also - exceptions prove the rule).
What's no big deal for one gen (say, political-incorrect jokes) can be a total no-go for the other.

For my generation, for example, VHS, cassettes, colour tv, telephones with buttons, lcd displays and a chord
as well as light bulbs were common items in daily life, nothing to write home about.

They were around for quite some time when our lifes had started..
Like, to name some timeless stuff you can relate to: floating water (water tap), fridges, toasters, carpets, stairs and coca cola.

Older and newer generations seem to make a big fuss about cassettes, VHS etc, though.
Either, because these were groundbreaking to them back then or because they seem somewhat oldschool, alien to them now (hi, Gen Z).

I thus prefer the term "digital natives", rather, I guess. It's less discriminating and less stereotype IMHO. 😉

I know, this must be hard to understand for older people in general.
The mind increasingly struggles to adapt to new ideas or concepts, thus leading to their rejection.
I do sometimes struggle with it, too. And it's not easy for me to explain. Let me try, though.:

When you're getting older, the perception of time changes.
Everything that happend less than 20 years ago was just "yesterday" and is newfangled.
And "old" is always ten years ahead of yourself. 😉

For other, younger people, though, say at age 14-16, these 20 years are an unbelievable long time frame.
It goes down to a moment in time when they didn't even exist!

That's why I linked the article of that 18 year old dude that recreated the "nostalgic" visuals of the old iOS:

Ten years ago, he was at age 8 and that OS was part of his childhood.
While for us, this was just "yesterday".
Hence, we find that so funny and make fun of it.

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All in all its an old story, of course. The ancient greeks surely already had debated over that, I assume.
https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-peopl … ger-generation/

What can be our advantage, though, is that we can make ourselves aware of it.
Trying to see with other people's eyes can make use see "the big picture".
The ancient greeks were too arrogant and stubborn, by contrast. 😀