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The quest for the perfect retro laptop: a saga

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Reply 900 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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Yeah that's the other thing! Some of these have three RAM slots. Mine doesn't unfortunately, but it's still awesome that some do.

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Reply 901 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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It does indeed have the wavetable chip.

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Reply 902 of 1075, by MAZter

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As I remember on Toshiba Tecra 780CDM with S3 Virge MX 640x480 screen scaling was not so perfect:

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Reply 903 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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First image is scaled, second image is with scaling off. They look identical to me.

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Reply 904 of 1075, by MAZter

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/226229261833

PROS: Nice laptop with Celeron, Ati Rage & Yamaha YMF744
CONS: Condition is unknown

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Reply 905 of 1075, by Thermalwrong

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MAZter wrote on 2024-08-20, 16:28:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226229261833

PROS: Nice laptop with Celeron, Ati Rage & Yamaha YMF744
CONS: Condition is unknown

I recommend writing in the name of the computer since that auction won't be there forever. Something I wish I'd done when I look at posts I wrote a while back that now link to dead pages on the bay site.

Has anyone considered or seen the Sony Vaio PCG-F807K / PCG-9326? It seems quite similar in spec to that Fujitsu...
It's one of the big grey and purple ones with a Pentium III 650MHz (MMC-2 module) with a BX chipset, DVD & floppy drives, PS/2 mouse/keyboard port, Yamaha YMF744 audio and ATI Rage Mobility-M1 graphics with 1024x768 res:

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Works well in Windows 98 with the VXD drivers without any trouble and the display scaling is the smooth type rather than integer scaling.
Main downside is it's got a NiMH RTC battery hidden under the touchpad and it's not easy to get to, those are all leaking now.

There are a couple of higher end models like the PCG-F808K & F809K with higher resolution screen but too rare even for me to find.
The later ones like the PCG-FXxxx series are good too but don't have such good DOS audio and get rid of the PS/2 & serial ports. Sony hate enabling USB mouse/keyboard support for legacy OS in the BIOS so using a mouse other than touchpad in DOS isn't so easy. But it is with the PCG-F807K 😀

Reply 906 of 1075, by MAZter

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Thermalwrong wrote on 2024-08-21, 02:56:

I recommend writing in the name of the computer since that auction won't be there forever. Something I wish I'd done when I look at posts I wrote a while back that now link to dead pages on the bay site.

This laptop is not mine, so I don't know exactly model, just inform about some characteristics. I know them, cause I had same laptop in the past.

Very similar to C-4120:

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Reply 908 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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MAZter wrote on 2024-08-21, 21:51:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186644110641

WinBook revision MP7, with onboard gameport, it's a stupid idea to try to make it work from 12 volts AC/DC adapter 😀

https://macdat.net/pc/winbook/fx_home.html

That's an MP6 revision FX - Creative Vibra CT-2505 sound and Cirrus 7543 graphics vs. the MP7 which is ESS and C&T. I have an FX MP6 and it's a perfectly fine DOS machine - not the best, not the worst.
You can power it off any universal laptop charger. Just a barrel jack that needs 19V 2.3A. 12V is very likely too low.

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Reply 909 of 1075, by MAZter

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3lectr1c, Ok, touhpad looks different, not like in any pictures provided on that website, weird, so you could be right:

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By the way, how is lower resolution displayed in MP6, full screen or in small window, like in my Compaq LTE5280 with same graphics card?

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Reply 910 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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That's my website by the way 😀

All three revisions of the FX were available with a touchpad or with just the trackpoint. My MP6 that I photographed for the site has the touchpad while that MP6 doesn't. The MP6 and MP7 look basically identical when open, you can only really tell the difference via specs or by looking at the bottom where the MP7 has extra vents.

I believe the FX MP6 allows you to choose between black borders and scaled via a key combo (FN + F10). Scaling breaks the aspect ratio but doesn't look as bad as a laptop with NeoMagic graphics.

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Reply 911 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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I've also finally found and bought a working WinBook XP5 - I think I brought up the WinBook XP in the past here as an ultimate DOS gaming laptop - the XP5 is the same machine but with a Pentium, so it's even better. WIll update with photos and my thoughts when it arrives.
Pentium @100MHz
32MB RAM
C&T 65545
10.4" 640x480 TFT LCD
ESS AudioDrive 1688
Lexmark keyboard (same as thinkpads from the time)

I think it's gonna be great.

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Reply 912 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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The stupid XP5 died on the operating table. I think these really want a good CMOS battery to boot, ugh. hard to do that when the traces going to the battery are corroded. I did get it to fire up once, if I can get it to run reliably then it will be great. Gonna need board repair though... throws Phoenix code 1-1-3, indicating CMOS RAM issues. I think they're just unreliable laptops, even aside from corrosion that they all have. I'll get it running eventually, probably. It's in good shape.

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Reply 913 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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New CMOS battery got the XP5 going again. It’s amazing! Definitely the best laptop from the 94-95 era of perfect DOS laptops - just not super practical due to it being impossible to keep the plastic intact around the hinges, unless you’re doing what I’m doing and leave it open all the time.
Its got everything an LTE 5000 or Toshiba 400CDT has, but with the same keyboard a ThinkPad 750C has (both use Lexmark buckling sleeve switches - the BEST keyboard from this time bar none), and it was available with all three pointing device options (TrackPoint, Trackball, or Trackpad) so you can use whichever you prefer.
They were available with a few LCD options but mine is the perfect 10.4” TFT 640x480. Sound card was an optional ESS 1688. The speakers sound pretty good.
Mine has the fastest Pentium 133 option but it’s at some point been downclocked to 100MHz, maybe for heat reduction? RAM is maxed at 32MB and it’s got 256K of cache. Will have it running off a 16GB SD card soon.
This is definitely going to be my go-to for DOS gaming going forward, assuming it stays working. The main issue of course is that they’re very hard to find working as the Varta CMOS battery kills most of them. This one needed two bodge wires (although it was working without them, who’s to say what they were for). And as I said these MUST have a working CMOS battery installed or they won’t want to boot reliably.

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Reply 914 of 1075, by Thermalwrong

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Great that you got it working again 😀 Looks weird with the contrast dial, I assume that does nothing?
Or maybe its like my CF41 which has a TFT which has a contrast dial but since it's a TFT it only makes a tiny difference to the picture

Reply 915 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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Yep, the contrast slider does absolutely nothing. It was there for models with the VGA Passive Matrix display, but was still present on all other models.

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Reply 916 of 1075, by vorob

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Gentlemen, I am in serious need of your opinion regarding the Toshiba 460CDT. I bought it for $10, and it’s in excellent condition, with a dead HDD, a non-yellowed screen but with a dead pixel. I replaced the drive and am now installing Windows. I did a bit of Googling and, as I understand it, VEXP won’t work here, but I’ll give it a shot. Will I be able to stretch those mode13 graphics to full screen instead of playing with squished images? I’ll find out soon.

I’m also unclear about the sound. I found a thread on this forum where the sound was praised, saying everything could be configured in pure DOS, but I saw the monstrous name WSS in the BIOS, adding to my confusion. Will the sound and music work properly in pure DOS? I’ll find out soon too.

I can’t seem to understand these "thick Toshibas" 420, 430... 460 and so on. The smaller models have multi-layer motherboards and built-in power supplies, while the larger model has a board running the entire length of the case and an external power supply. It would make sense if the larger model had the built-in power supply and the smaller one had an external power supply, but here it’s the other way around.

Also, what’s amusing is that in all of these 27-year-old Toshibas, and I’ve worked on about 7 of them, the batteries are still alive. What kind of miracle of Japanese chemical industry is that?

Reply 917 of 1075, by Hamby

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I know I'm late to the party, but if I may chime in.
I just got a Toshiba 430CDT and I'm loving it. I installed Win98SE on a partitioned 64gb SD card with IDE adapter, tried to install Linux on the 2nd partition, and apparently trashed the SD card.
About to order an msata to ide adapter to put an SSD into the machine.

I'm loving this machine. The only two drawbacks are the keyboard is a bit mushy (just a bit) and the backup batteries are apparently dead.
I don't have screen stretching working yet, but so far I'm not noticing it.

After expanding it from 16 to 48mb, I've been able to run things like... well, Blender 3D 2.42 runs just fine on it!
I'm looking forward to playing old games and running old apps on it.

Before the Toshiba, I got a Compaq 1610 (pentium 150, 64mb ram, not sure what video, Win98SE), remembering the 1620 I had back in the day... well, the screen is bleah; faded, ghosting... maybe I'm spoiled. The keyboard is almost unpleasant for me to type on. I may dig it out of the closet to give it another chance one day, or maybe stick an old linux on, but...

I also have a Lenovo X220. I like it. It's limited due to its old OpenGL compatibility (pre 3.0, IIRC). But I can play Everquest on it and it's been useful as a backup system.

But my favorite laptop, possibly of all time... is a Toshiba M200 convertible running XP. 12" 1280 x 1024 (edit: actually 1400 x 1050... I forgot) screen that folds into a tablet, with wacom digital touchscreen. The keyboard is "okay" to "good" for a laptop. IIRC it has a Pentium Centrino at 1.8ghz, 2gb ram, Nvidia GeForce FX Go5200 with 32mb ram (device manager says "32/64mb"... I don't get that.)

Mostly I use it for surfing the web for Everquest information. I put a new battery in it which should give it a couple hours, still, but I leave it plugged in because I need to replace the CMOS battery and that's a big fat pain in the butt.
I can even run Cygwin on it and ssh onto my Linux box with an X11 session.
It'll run Blender 2.79b, and I can play Everquest on it (although it does slow way down in heavily populated zones).

I can also play Diablo 1 and 2, Crusader No Remorse and other old dos games.

Plus... it can turn into a pressure-sensitive tablet. Did I mention it works as a tablet, too?

Reply 918 of 1075, by 3lectr1c

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Get the backup batteries out of that 430CDT! There are two of them under the keyboard - a 3 cell for CMOS, and a 9 cell "hibernation" battery (keeps the laptop alive in sleep mode while the main battery is swapped). Both are Varta NiMH packs that leak almost 100% of the time. Unclip and remove the locking bar under the keyboard, then lift it up.
The 430CDT is a quite nice machine, they're great for DOS gaming.

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Reply 919 of 1075, by MAZter

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vorob wrote on 2024-09-14, 22:08:

VEXP won’t work here

Why? VEXP works with any Chips&Tech video.

Will the sound and music work properly in pure DOS?

Why not, if it is OPL3-SA3, just needs to run setupsa.exe /s after boot

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