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Reply 320 of 328, by CuPid

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pete8475 wrote on 2020-07-23, 14:18:

Booting it up now! Will post the txt report shortly.
EDIT - Done with no issues.

Thanks. It is strange because the K6-2 is supposed to support the MSR. Well ...

RayeR wrote on 2020-07-23, 17:29:

Ok, as it run on other K6 CMOV is not the problem. Unknown MSR read can cause troubles too. Is it possible to install own exception handler to catch it before OS BOSD? I neved did it in C...

Not from a VxD unfortunately. I strongly wish it could be possible because that prevents to accurately detect several CPUs.

I need a vacation.

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Reply 321 of 328, by red-ray

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pete8475 wrote on 2020-07-23, 15:46:

Ran that program, hopefully these screens show you what you want to know.

Thank you and yes, I have the same CPU and am pretty sure CPUZ ran OK on it last time I tried it. Can you boot NT/2K/XP on that system? If you can it would be interesting to see what Menu->Hardware->CPUID->CPU-0 reports, below is what I get on my CPU.

CuPid wrote on 2020-07-23, 18:01:

Thanks. It is strange because the K6-2 is supposed to support the MSR. Well ...

I assume it's MSR C0000087 it was trying to read and my identical Family 5 Model 8 (08) Stepping 12 CPU has it.

This makes no sense at all as my CPU should be the same and has C0000087, but your 'fixed' CPUZ no longer reports the FSB speed.

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Reply 322 of 328, by pete8475

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red-ray wrote on 2020-07-23, 20:03:

Thank you and yes, I have the same CPU and am pretty sure CPUZ ran OK on it last time I tried it. Can you boot NT/2K/XP on that system? If you can it would be interesting to see what Menu->Hardware->CPUID->CPU-0 reports, below is what I get on my CPU.

I'll load up XP on it and try that out shortly. Just need to find another CF card first.

EDIT - XP is installing now.

EDIT 2 - Forgive me if I'm a bit thick but I have no idea what these instructions are asking me to do "If you can it would be interesting to see what Menu->Hardware->CPUID->CPU-0 reports, below is what I get on my CPU." Do you want me to run CPU-Z in XP? If so what version and do you want me to run that other program too?

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Reply 323 of 328, by red-ray

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pete8475 wrote on 2020-07-23, 22:00:
red-ray wrote on 2020-07-23, 20:03:

Thank you and yes, I have the same CPU and am pretty sure CPUZ ran OK on it last time I tried it. Can you boot NT/2K/XP on that system? If you can it would be interesting to see what Menu->Hardware->CPUID->CPU-0 reports, below is what I get on my CPU.

I'll load up XP on it and try that out shortly. Just need to find another CF card first.

Thank you, it's really strange that your CPU does not seem to have MSR C0000087 and mine does.

With NT/2K/XP and later we can use an SEH (Structured Exception Handler) in our drivers to catch the 'BSOD' and deal with it so SIV should be able to tell if that MSR is there or not. SIV has Menu->Hardware->MSRs->MSRs K6 which should list all the AMD K6 MSRs that exist, but rather than post screen shots ideally post the two Menu->File->Save Local files as there may be other things I need to check.

Reply 324 of 328, by red-ray

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pete8475 wrote on 2020-07-23, 22:00:

EDIT 2 - Forgive me if I'm a bit thick but I have no idea what these instructions are asking me to do "If you can it would be interesting to see what Menu->Hardware->CPUID->CPU-0 reports, below is what I get on my CPU."
Do you want me to run CPU-Z in XP? If so what version and do you want me to run that other program too?

It's just SIV32L V5.51 Beta-02 I wish you to run and does as attached help clarify?

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Reply 325 of 328, by pete8475

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red-ray wrote on 2020-07-23, 22:25:
pete8475 wrote on 2020-07-23, 22:00:

EDIT 2 - Forgive me if I'm a bit thick but I have no idea what these instructions are asking me to do "If you can it would be interesting to see what Menu->Hardware->CPUID->CPU-0 reports, below is what I get on my CPU."
Do you want me to run CPU-Z in XP? If so what version and do you want me to run that other program too?

It's just what SIV32L V5.51 Beta-02 I wish you to run and does as attached help clarify?

Yes it sure does! I had no idea there was a menu drop down if you clicked there.

I will do exactly what you want when XP is done installing.

Reply 326 of 328, by pete8475

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Ok ran SIV32X in XP and just out of curiosity the latest CPU-Z in XP as well (no crash).

Attached is the SIV32X report and a screenshot from the latest CPU-Z.

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Reply 327 of 328, by red-ray

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pete8475 wrote on 2020-07-23, 23:53:

Ok ran SIV32X in XP and just out of curiosity the latest CPU-Z in XP as well (no crash).

Thank you, but please may I also have F:\SIV32X\SIV_9590DF9758454F9.dmi (attach a .ZIP as .DMI is not allowed)? This is a binary dump of the raw data that the [Machine] page reports and I would like to so I can address SIV reporting 4 DIMMs when there are in reality only two. This is caused by the SMBIOS data being wonky.

Looking in the [msrs] section and at [CPUID CPU-0] then as I suspected MSR C0000087 exists so CPUZ-W9x should be able to read it and report the FSB speed.

In general reading MSRs on W9x is problematic, I just wish it was possible to use a SEH (Structured Exception Handler) as it the case on NT4 and later.

[msrs] [hardware]
 MSR   Value EDX : EAX      Value EDX : EAX      Value EDX : EAX      Value EDX : EAX    MSR  [Y]Current
0000: 00000000 : 00000000 00000000 : 00000000 :0003 [CPU-0 ]
000C: 00000000 : 00000000 :000F
0010: 00000055 : 9C65C638 :0013 [_]Select Total
0FFC: :0FFF [CPU-0 ] 4


MSR Value EDX : EAX Value EDX : EAX Value EDX : EAX Value EDX : EAX MSR [Y]Current
C0000000: :C0000003 [CPU-0 ]
C0000080: 00000000 : 00000002 00000000 : 00000000 00000000 : 10010000 :C0000083
C0000084: 00000000 : E001FFE2 00000000 : 000001C6 :C0000087 [_]Select
C0000088: 00000000 : 00000000 :C000008B [CPU-0 ] Total
C00001FC: :C00001FF 6
[CPUID CPU-0] <- SIV32X - System Information Viewer V5.51 Beta-02 9590DF9758454F9::Owner
CPU-0 AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (AMD K6-2 (Chomper)) [CXT]  STK 400.719MHz  CPU 400.719MHz  FSB 66.787MHz  L2 66.787MHz  WIN 400.000MHz

[Y]CPUID EAX EBX ECX EDX
00000000 00000001 68747541 444D4163 69746E65 [Y]"AuthenticAMD"
00000001 0000058C 00000000 00000000 008021BF [_]09 APIC 0x00 [_]16 Count 0 [_]15 CMOV [Y]08 CX8 [Y]04 TSC [Y]03 PSE

40000000 00000000

80000000 80000005 00000000 00000000 00000000 [_]" "
80000001 0000068C 00000000 00000000 808029BF [_]29 x64 Support [_]27 RDTSCP Support [_]26 1GB Large Page [_]20 Execute Disable
80000002 2D444D41 7428364B 3320296D 72702044
80000003 7365636F 00726F73 00000000 00000000
80000004 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 [Y]"AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor"
80000005 00000000 02800140 20020220 20020220 [Y]L1C 32KB 2-way 32-byte line [Y]L1D 32KB 2-way 32-byte line

80860000 00000000

C0000000 00000000

8FFFFFFF 4778654E 72656E65 6F697461 444D416E [Y]"NexGenerationAMD"

[Y]MSR EDX EAX Thermal 00000000 [_]16 TSCIV [_]17 SLAT [Y]00 Flags 0000000000008002
C0000080 00000000 00000002 IA32_EFER [_]11 XD Disabled [_]10 IA32e Mode Inactive [_]08 IA32e Disabled [_]00 SYSCALL Disabled
C0000087 00000000 000001C6 a 06 c 18 (x6)

[ OK ] [ Copy] [Windows] [Processors][Features] [Groups] [ NUMA] [ CPU-0] [Cache-0]

Reply 328 of 328, by pete8475

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red-ray wrote on 2020-07-24, 07:52:
pete8475 wrote on 2020-07-23, 23:53:

Ok ran SIV32X in XP and just out of curiosity the latest CPU-Z in XP as well (no crash).

Thank you, but please may I also have F:\SIV32X\SIV_9590DF9758454F9.dmi (attach a .ZIP as .DMI is not allowed)? This is a binary dump of the raw data that the [Machine] page reports and I would like to so I can address SIV reporting 4 DIMMs when there are in reality only two. This is caused by the SMBIOS data being wonky.

Sure, here it is.

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