Sound Blaster 16 Clones

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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby appiah4 » 2018-1-19 @ 07:08

olivil wrote:Is there a YMF71x model that is confirmed to fit a NEC XR385 without making a custom cable?


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-OPL-Y ... 2942680258

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badmojo wrote:Why did you post that question in this thread?

An ESS1688 is the way to go:

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=37497&start=40#p341216


Well, is it really that simple? Why the 1688? I had a similar question I posted here a while ago: https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=53158

And ultimately the 1868 is basically the same chip as a 1688 but integrates PnP, ATAPI controllers, full duplex mono and 3D spatial sound (albeit a shitty one). The 1869 is 48KHz so less desirable due to sampling shenanigans, I get that, but it also has full duplex stereo so it's a tradeoff.
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby badmojo » 2018-1-19 @ 08:24

appiah4 wrote:Well, is it really that simple? Why the 1688?


Did you read my post about the 1688? I think I expressed my opinion pretty clearly. And I'll ask you this now too - why are you posting about SB Pro 2 clones in a SB16 clone thread?
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby appiah4 » 2018-1-19 @ 09:24

For the same reason that you are responding to it; i.e. it's relevant. But fair enough, I apologize if I derailed the subject.
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby Woolie Wool » 2018-3-06 @ 02:23

What is the likelihood of a non-PnP ISA Sound Blaster 16 clone being made in the future? Clean, modern PCM, real OPL3, and a working MPU-401 for a drop-in Sound Blaster replacement that "just works" like no actual SB16 does? We've got AdLib clones and GUS clones but no modern clones of a card where all of the original models were flawed in some way.
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby Tiido » 2018-3-06 @ 04:15

After I'm done with my current project (that I will present soon) the next one involves something that will have SB16 compatibility among other things, but that's at least a year away due to other obligations.
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby appiah4 » 2018-3-06 @ 06:35

Woolie Wool wrote:What is the likelihood of a non-PnP ISA Sound Blaster 16 clone being made in the future? Clean, modern PCM, real OPL3, and a working MPU-401 for a drop-in Sound Blaster replacement that "just works" like no actual SB16 does? We've got AdLib clones and GUS clones but no modern clones of a card where all of the original models were flawed in some way.


Is there really a market for this? I don't see where the demand could come from. There are enough SB Pro compatible and decent non-PnP ISA cards out there at the moment and SB16 compatibility really adds not much over SB Pro compatibility IMHO..
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby Woolie Wool » 2018-3-06 @ 06:49

Yes, for the working MPU UART (perhaps the clone could even have intelligent mode!) and 16-bit sound used by games like Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, and anything that uses CD music. It adds a whole lot for any game made after 1992 or so, and there is no "just works" ISA Sound Blaster 16. Every single CT number has something wrong with it (the ones without the hanging note bug have bad PCM and many of the later ones have CQM), and the clones either have limited compatibility, drivers that can potentially cause problems, or both. A fully functional, clean-sounding SB16 with a good MPU-401 and wavetable header would be the ultimate DOS sound card for anyone but a GUS diehard.
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby newold86 » 2018-3-25 @ 14:26

Woolie Wool wrote: A fully functional, clean-sounding SB16 with a good MPU-401 and wavetable header would be the ultimate DOS sound card for anyone but a GUS diehard.


Being discussed right now - viewtopic.php?f=62&t=59138
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby derSammler » 2018-3-25 @ 14:34

Woolie Wool wrote:and there is no "just works" ISA Sound Blaster 16. Every single CT number has something wrong with it (the ones without the hanging note bug have bad PCM and many of the later ones have CQM), and the clones either have limited compatibility

ALS100 or CT1740 / CT1750 cards are just fine. The ALS100 even doing SB Pro and SB16 in stereo (which no real SB16 is able to).
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby appiah4 » 2018-3-26 @ 04:32

ALS100 has integrated ALSFM not discrete OPL3 lile ALS007 right? That would be subpar to put it mildly.
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby gerwin » 2018-3-26 @ 12:02

IIRC integrated ALSFM was introduced with the ALS100+ (note the plus). But a bigger issue with the ALS chips is the output quality: I found the signal to noise ratio to be poor, especially because the signal itself is rather low in volume. But maybe there is an obscure way to configure that...
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby Jo22 » 2018-4-15 @ 12:02

That's true. I researched some information about this chip last year.
The ALS100(+) can be fun for starters, I believe. Perhaps someone, somwhen can make a better card design based on this chip.
IMHO, the chip didnt deserve to be treated that badly by card makers.. :depressed:
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Re: Sound Blaster 16 Clones

Postby The Serpent Rider » 2018-5-13 @ 09:05

CT1740 / CT1750 cards are just fine

Only certain revisions with oldest DSP and they still have DMA clicking and still very noisy.
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