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Reply 460 of 472, by RaVeN-05

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fount at mobygames:
https://www.mobygames.com/search/quick?q=3D+Graphics+Cards+#
this could be PowerVR games:
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2699/
this could be PowerVR games:
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2700/
need to check and debunk
Rendition Verite
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2682/
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2683/
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2681/
S3 Virge
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,670/
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,1760/
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,667/
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,1275/
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,668/
ATI 3D Rage
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2679/
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2705/
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2680/
s3 Metal
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2690/
also found some one more s3 metal supported game than in my list
Mystique
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2696/
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2695/
matrox millenium
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2698/
i also founeded somewhere picture with more matrox millenium supported games
nvidia nv1
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2686/

creative 3d blaster vlb
https://www.mobygames.com/attribute/sheet/attributeId,2701/

I really doubt that there is something new, it appears too many error entries here

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Reply 461 of 472, by RaVeN-05

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Seems can be a game that uses Paradise Tasmania 3D Board
https://www.cbronline.com/news/gemsofts_fight … _ygv611_3d_chip

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Reply 462 of 472, by vetz

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I don't trust Mobygames as source for 3D acceleration support, must have another source.

Fighter Wing is interesting, but there is no mentioning on the box that it supports it. Also the press release only states it supports the YGV611 chip, while the Tasmania 3D uses the YGV612. I can check it out closer.

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Reply 463 of 472, by vetz

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Searching around I found a link to Paradise's Tasmania 3D webpage and on it two interesting discoveries:

1. A picture of a Tasmania 3D with what looks to be a pre-production model with the possibility to upgrade the RAM from 2MB to 4MB
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2. Announced incoming for WARHAMMER 40,000 Dark Crusaders
https://web.archive.org/web/19970102154023/ht … /paradise3.html

Unfortunately that game was cancelled close to release for unknown reasons
https://www.unseen64.net/2010/04/25/warhammer … s-pc-cancelled/

EDIT: It seems the game have been leaked online and no-one has connected the dots between the different communities (Warhammer 40k and unseen/unreleased/beta scene). It's mindblowing. Appearntly one of the developers released it online, but somehow people thought it was a fan game he made the graphics for in 1993/1994. When downloading the files, they are all from 1996 (also according to his LinkedIn page he worked at Leaping Lizard, the developer between 95 and 96). Also the screenshots matches promo photos from 1996 of Dark Crusaders. I'm installing it now on my DOS rig to check if there is any traces of Tasmania 3D support.

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Reply 464 of 472, by vetz

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I've done some more research on the Paradise Tasmania 3D registration card:

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I cannot find any posts on Google Groups to support that these games were ever released. They are not included in any of the for sale ads or atleast not mentioned (you'd think people would not miss out on 3 free games):
https://groups.google.com/g/tamu.forsale/c/Ff … /m/rrzCtsCvzEIJ
https://groups.google.com/g/misc.forsale.comp … /m/m2BlcRnJ0GAJ
https://groups.google.com/g/misc.forsale.comp … /m/1CZ3LGm1yhQJ
https://groups.google.com/g/seattle.forsale.c … /m/ynruR5yCCBcJ
https://groups.google.com/g/seattle.forsale.c … /m/myDZnsvPxUkJ
https://groups.google.com/g/misc.forsale.comp … /m/R5sloOcF6eEJ

Person asking on SU-27 with no replies:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.ibm.pc.g … /m/l2xthTMYu2QJ

Person claiming that he has never received the extra games:
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.ibm.pc.h … /m/mJ0s7GJO2PwJ

Also the reviewer at Dimension3D said he was still waiting for the games:
https://web.archive.org/web/19970111223353/ht … s/tasmania.html

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Reply 465 of 472, by Putas

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Interesting. Receiving 3D games does not guarantee accelerator support. I was looking at videos of those. Cyberspeed looks like 2.5 D tech. Air Power could stem from the same engine as SU-27. That's why I don't expect more than the generic OpenGL SU-27 uses, which hardly means anything regarding 3d acceleration.

But of course, do not be discouraged by my doubts.

Reply 466 of 472, by vetz

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Putas wrote on 2020-10-08, 17:40:

Interesting. Receiving 3D games does not guarantee accelerator support. I was looking at videos of those. Cyberspeed looks like 2.5 D tech. Air Power could stem from the same engine as SU-27. That's why I don't expect more than the generic OpenGL SU-27 uses, which hardly means anything regarding 3d acceleration.

But of course, do not be discouraged by my doubts.

Both Airpower and SU-27 could in theory benefit from the YGV612 chip as the games have quite simple 3D engines, perfect for increasing performance when going from VGA to SVGA.

I had a closer look on the Tank Commander and FX Fighter executables that came bundled with the Tasmania 3D. Both of them contain references to the Yamaha RPA in the .exe's. Tank Commander also has a RPACFG file and a FINDRPA executable. It seems the executable/game must contain code to activate the YGV611/612 chip.

When doing the same inspecting on Warhammer 40k: Dark Crusaders (which is clearly a beta release) I cannot find any references to Yamaha, RPA, TAS3D, Tasmania, or anything similar. It might ofc still be there, but doesn't look promising.

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Reply 467 of 472, by RaVeN-05

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Well this is out of topic, i am sorry
https://www.youtube.com/user/VintageCG/videos

this covers demo presentations , 3d scene renderings vintage from very early ears to last rendered in 1992

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Reply 468 of 472, by Hanamichi

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Tried to find PowerVR titles missing on the list but looks like you got most if not all.

I found this NEC site which lists a few games not on your list (debunked or legitimate SGL)
https://web.archive.org/web/19981203121318/ht … wervr/soft.html
Seems to have some iso-2022-jp text issue:

Of interest that have a small (doubtful) chance of not being Direct3D / Extreme:
- Zero Divide: Techno Warrior (Windows 1996)
- Team47 Goman (1997)

Even Less chance:
- Henry Explorers (1997)
- Shadows of the Empire (1996)
- International Rally Championship (1997)
- Battle Arena Toshinden 2 (199?)

Named differently:
- Splash Battle - I think this is the Japanese version of Overboard/Shipwreckers
- Ziggurat - I think this is the Japanese version of Montezuma's Return!
- Earth Winds? - Not sure what this is, Nirgends (related to wind) is listed seperately

Possible support from looking at the NEC site and patches at soggi.org:
- F1 Racing Simulation (1997) - PowerVR "speedup" patch (sounds like a profile) here https://soggi.org/misc/game-patches.htm

It also lists a 3.3 patch for Moto Racer available here(https://soggi.org/misc/game-patches.htm), was that the one you tested? Notes include these commands:
3D hardware
* -3DFX Use 3DFX if available
* -NoPowerVr Disable PowerVr auto-detection
* -OnlyPrimaryDisplay Don't use 2nd 3D hardware display (such as 3Dfx)
* -PowerVr For PowerVr chip if auto-detection fails with a PowerVr chip

Another list:
http://futureworld.amiga32.com/m3dpvr.htm

Of interest:
- Grand Slam (baseball)

I'll try testing these one day if someone doesn't debunk them beforehand.

Reply 472 of 472, by Hanamichi

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Putas wrote on 2020-10-23, 07:51:
Hanamichi wrote on 2020-10-16, 21:29:

Of interest:
- Grand Slam (baseball)

Tried it, there is no sign of SGL.

Damn, thanks for letting me know. I'll be checking some at the weekend.