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Reply 20 of 32, by johnyept

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AlexZ wrote on 2022-05-26, 15:21:

45.23 driver is recommended for Windows 98 as it's more compatible than 53.04. I tested various drivers and settled with 45.23 in the end.

Yes I know. I tried 53.04 because 45.23 was not working with the FX 5200, but now I know it was because of the graphics card itself. I'll revert to those once every cap is replaced and I reinstall everything from scratch. In Windows 2000 I might keep then 53.04 because they include WDM drivers for video capture, and I'd like to play around with that.

For now all I could find locally were electrolytic caps, probably not even a known brand, but they're cheap as hell, less than 5 euros for 14 caps for both cards (2 extra caps just in case). I'm not going to replace the Sanyo cap for now since it's the only branded one. I'll start with the FX 5200 over the weekend and if everything goes well, I'll do the same to the FX 5600. I'm still interested in comparing them with some games' benchmarks, just like Phil usually does 😉

RETRO-W98/2K: MSI MS-6309 v1.0, P3 1Ghz, 3x256MB, GF5600 128MB AGP, VD2 PCI, RTL8139D PCI, TB400-2541 PCI, ESS1868F ISA, 160GB IDE
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Reply 21 of 32, by AlexZ

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FX 5200s are so cheap and plentiful they are not worth recapping. They are only good for practice so you don't mess up the FX 5600.

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Reply 22 of 32, by Repo Man11

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The one time I went with no name replacement capacitors on a video card it did not turn out well.

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Reply 24 of 32, by johnyept

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The caps I bought are Samwha RD and they are general caps, not low ESR, so I'm only going to use them on the FX 5200 for now for testing and practice, later I'll get better/correct ones for the FX 5600 and probably for the FX 5200 and some motherboards / PSUs I've been wanting to recap.

RETRO-W98/2K: MSI MS-6309 v1.0, P3 1Ghz, 3x256MB, GF5600 128MB AGP, VD2 PCI, RTL8139D PCI, TB400-2541 PCI, ESS1868F ISA, 160GB IDE
RETRO-WXP/7: ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU, XEON E5450 3Ghz, 2x2GB, GTS 450 1GB PCI-E, 120GB SSD, 1TB sATA

Reply 25 of 32, by RandomStranger

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Tetrium wrote on 2022-05-26, 19:53:
AlexZ wrote on 2022-05-26, 17:46:

FX 5200s are so cheap and plentiful they are not worth recapping.

Only a matter of time before they are 😋

For some, it's a lot of time. TVGA8900D, Trio64V and TNT2-M64 AGP are older and still disposable.

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Reply 26 of 32, by johnyept

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I managed to replace the 3 bulged caps of the FX 5200, they're crappy caps but I'll replace them eventually. It took longer than I expected, so either my soldering skills suck, or the hardware I'm using sucks, but I put my money on both 😀

The card is now working and I finally ran the Benchmarks, so to "recap" (pun intended):

FX 5200
3DMark 99 Max: 7456 (34385 CPU 3DMarks)
3DMark 2000: 6016
3DMark 2001 SE: 4505

FX 5600
3DMark 99 Max: 7481 (34153 CPU 3DMarks)
3DMark 2000: 10081
3DMark 2001 SE: 9042

Both cards perform closely for DX6, but the FX5600 blows the FX5200 out of the water in DX7 and DX8 performance, so I'm completely satisfied with the purchase.

I read some posts of the "A tale of two PSUs" topic (very good info by the way), and thanks to TELVM I'll focus my search on capacitors from Chemicon, Nichicon, Panasonic, Samxon, Sanyo or Rubycon. I'll make a list of the hardware that needs recapping and buy a bunch of caps so I can (hopefully) improve my soldering skills. Thank you all for your very helpful input.

Next step: catalog every PSU I have to weed out the crap, which will probably be 90% or more...

RETRO-W98/2K: MSI MS-6309 v1.0, P3 1Ghz, 3x256MB, GF5600 128MB AGP, VD2 PCI, RTL8139D PCI, TB400-2541 PCI, ESS1868F ISA, 160GB IDE
RETRO-WXP/7: ASUS P5KPL-AM EPU, XEON E5450 3Ghz, 2x2GB, GTS 450 1GB PCI-E, 120GB SSD, 1TB sATA

Reply 27 of 32, by Socket3

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Great little board, glad it worked out for you.

Your card is a regular FX5600, also . You can verify using GPU-Z. It's definitely 128 bit, and the memory probably runs at 500Mhz witch is pretty much standard for a non-ultra 5600.

Reply 28 of 32, by Tetrium

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RandomStranger wrote on 2022-05-27, 03:41:
Tetrium wrote on 2022-05-26, 19:53:
AlexZ wrote on 2022-05-26, 17:46:

FX 5200s are so cheap and plentiful they are not worth recapping.

Only a matter of time before they are 😋

For some, it's a lot of time. TVGA8900D, Trio64V and TNT2-M64 AGP are older and still disposable.

Kinda true, I prefer the term 'affordable'. A good thing as well though, as it keeps the hobby more affordable even though those cards may not be the fastest. But even so Trio64 and TNT2 M64 also have relatively good compatibility (I don't know about the TVGA8900D).

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Reply 29 of 32, by RandomStranger

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It's same for the Trident. Alright speed and compatibility for a low price. Affordable is indeed a prettier word.

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Reply 30 of 32, by Guy

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Socket3 wrote on 2022-05-22, 22:15:
The LE suffix only applies to the FX 5600 and 5700. "XT" applies to the 5700 and the 5900. […]
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The LE suffix only applies to the FX 5600 and 5700. "XT" applies to the 5700 and the 5900.

- LE models have a 64 bit memory bus (most but not all), so half of the vram pads are unpopulated or they are low profile cards. For normal size cards you can tell from the presence of empty memory pads on the PCB. They're budged boards. Leadtek is an exception, since they make a 128 bit FX5700LE. Apart from the smaller memory bus, LE versions are clocked a lot lower then XT or Ultra versions. In case of the 5700, LE cards run at 275 or 300Mhz, with vram running at 400 to 500Mhz

- XT denotes the "regular" version. For the 5600 and 5700, you have an LE (budget, 64 bit memory interface, slow ram), XT - "regular" version with 128 bit memory bus using either cheaper ram or midrange ram, but this depends on the manufacturer and / or revision of the card. For example Leadtek makes a 5700XT (A360) with either BGA DDR clocked at 600MHz (TDH model) or regular TSOP ram clocked at 500MHz (TD model). Both are 5700XT's. There's also a A360 Ultra model witch also uses BGA ram, covered by heatsinks - it has a larger PCB and some versions have a 4 pin molex power connector. The ram on the ultra version is clocked at 900MHz. Core clock for the XT versions ranges from 350 all the way up to 475MHz.

- VE is an ASUS thing as far as I know. After the driver is installed the card will show up as an LE, because that's what it is. That means they're usually 64 bit and are clocked low.

The FX5500 is a slightly higher clocked FX5200, but where the 5200 can be 64 or 128 bit (the memory interface), the FX5500 is usually 128 bit. They're budget cards. Unlike the Radeon 9500 and 9550 witch are based on the Radeon 9700 and 9600 respectively and have more pixel and vertex shaders then the 9000 / 9200, the 5500 has an identical core configuration to the 5200 - 4/1/4/4. The FX5700 for example has two more vertex shaders.

Here are some pics to help you identify cards by pictures:

FX5600 / 5700 LE or VE with 64 bit memory interface. Notice the empty memory pads:

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All low profile versions have 4 memory modules - two on the front and two on the back - so 64 bit memory interface. They look like this:

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Typical FX5700XT with 128 bit memory - notice it has 8 memory modules unlike the LE versions that only have 4 modules

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The leadtek 5700XT has 4 modules on the front and another 4 on the back, and it's not the only 5700XT like this. It's a good idea to ask for pictures of both sides of the cards. This applies to the 5600 as well.

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Ultra versions have large coolers on the GPU, sometimes covering the memory modules as well. The memory modules are usually BGA (small, square) and almost always covered by heatsinks. Ultra models also have larger PCB's and an auxiliary power connector:

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Any idea if this FX5700LE is 128bit? It doesn't have any missing pads

Reply 31 of 32, by The Serpent Rider

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8 chips. 128-bit. The memory is most likely crap though. 5ns, so 400 MHz.

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Reply 32 of 32, by Guy

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2025-09-06, 20:36:

8 chips. 128-bit. The memory is most likely crap though. 5ns, so 400 MHz.

Thanks, I got it for free and I'm gonna use it for a win98 system so it's ok if it's a little slow. I have a fx5900 but it's pci express unfortunately (who the hell bought an pci express fx card).