You should use the 45.23 driver for better results. For comparison, I just tested a Tyan S1854 with a P3 Coppermine 1000, PC133 512 megabytes and a Quadro 700 (Ti 4400 equivalent) ; after using Rivatuner to overclock the card and to force AGP 4X, my best 3D 2001 score was around 6,700.

On a P3 coppermine 800 and a Geforce 2 TI I get in standard settings in 3D Mark 2000 6150 points. so something seems to be wrong

tried the Omge 1.45.23 (performance settings) drivers got a 15% points increase in 3d marks 2000,
still not enough. must be something more that is wrong, gonna check out drivers for mobo next

windows me? 😀

no, Windows 98SE

I feel like there's some kind of issue with AGP. Maybe AGP\chipset driver, AGP speed, Fastwrites, aperture size, etc.

Make sure it isn't running in PCI compatibility mode or something crazy like that (can't remember where exactly to check that).

Installing Rivatuner is a quick and easy way to view all of the graphics card settings.

The problem is definitely the 81.98 driver.
In my experience, the BEST Win98 driver for a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 (if it's the AGP 4X version!) is 30.82.
45.23 is also OK, but it's slower than 30.82 (particularly when used on slower platforms).

what score should i expect if/when i get this machine to work properly? 7000 points in 3dmarks2000?

i tried using Riva Tuner but it refuses to let me enable fast write to AGP

is dma enabled for hdd?

DMA is enabled yes, i was thinking is this because i use Windows 98 SE? i have another computer for XP so thats not a solution i want

Again: you are using subpar video drivers.

See the attached screenshots with the 3DMark2000 and 3DMark99 results for the following configuration:

- MSI MS-6163 ver. 2 (Intel 440BX chipset)
- Pentium 3 Coppermine 700 MHz (FSB 100)
- GeForce 2 GTS (driver version 7.76)

With a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 AGP 4X + driver version 30.82 (and the same system configuration) I would expect ~ 6000 points in 3DMark2000.
If your GeForce 4 Ti 4200 is the AGP 8X version, then driver version 30.82 won't work, and you will need to go with 4x.xx drivers.

So... I dug out a GeForce 4 Ti 4400 AGP 4X, here are the results with driver 30.82 on the same system as the one above.
Just in case anyone is curious about the CPU scaling, I also overclocked the CPU to 933 MHz (FSB133) and ran 3DMark99 / 2000 again.

Obviously, the results with the Ti 4200 should be the same, since these tests are HEAVILY CPU limited.

6000 with a Ti 4400? I mean i get 6150 with a gf2 ti. The card should be alot faster

atom1kk wrote on 2022-11-23, 18:45:

6000 with a Ti 4400? I mean i get 6150 with a gf2 ti. The card should be alot faster

The fact that the Ti 4400 is much faster is irrelevant when hitting CPU bottlenecks.
Both the GeForce 2 GTS and the GeForce 4 Ti 4400 are bottlenecked by the Coppermine.
If I were to remove the CPU bottleneck and test them on a very fast Core 2 Duo CPU, the GeForce 2 GTS would scale up to ~ 12000 points in 3DMark 2000, while the GeForce 4 Ti 4400 would scale up to ~ 21000 points.
So... at ~6000 points, we are far from extracting all the performance that both of these cards are capable of.

So, getting back to your question, when a CPU bottleneck is involved, the card with the most efficient/lightweight drivers will "win" by a few hundred points. And it just so happens that the 7.76 drivers that I'm using with the GeForce 2 are a bit faster with slower CPUs and A LOT faster with very slow CPUs (AMD K6-2).

Now, if I were to test 3DMark2000 at 1600 x 1200 x 32, results would be a lot different. At that point the GeForce 2 GTS would become the bottleneck, so we'd see a big difference between it and the GeForce 4 Ti.

Now with the 30.82 drivers i get 5030 points in 3dmarks2000

81.91 drivers i tried with first got me 4137
with 45.23 drivers i got something like 4500.

i got 900 points in total in increase. its still 1000 lower than what i should get compared with others with the same components.
It seems that fast write for agp is not possible on my motherboard neither is agp 4x so im stuck with with 2x Agp speed. Maybe lacking these options is the reason why im falling short in my scores.

or maybe it is because im stuck at 100 bus speed. i tried going for 133 bus speed but the computer freezes when booting to windows, i know i succeded setting the DIP switches correctly since POST says: pentium III 933 Mhz

I think Pentium 3 700 MHz is simply too slow for this video card. You need something faster to get good performance with it. In Russian Chip journal review from 2002 journalists used Athlon XP 2000+ and DDR memory when testing GeForce 4 series. They achieved 5800 points on MX440 and 10000 points on 4400Ti in 3DMark 2001SE (1024x768@32bit).
P.S. They used Windows XP + 27.50 driver version

i did three things.

1 overclocked system speed from 100 to 133 and thereby going from 700 to 933 Mhz
2 increased voltage by 10%
3 i changed timing on my SDRAM from CL2 to CL3 because they are labeled as 3.

now i got 6750 points. this is performance i can live with, but im still curious why i wont reach your scores of 8091. is the difference between 4200 and 4400 that big? or is it because you can run in 4x AGP speed?