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First post, by elcrys

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I was looking for some video card for a PCI only build, that will also have a digital output and I managed to get this one:

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What I was able to find, HP used to sell them as part of their workstations. As it's based on NV17 (GeForce4 MX 440 and similar) I was expecting flawless DOS compatibility. This is mostly true, except for VESA modes.

The card is reported as VBE 3.0 (as other MX cards I have), but in fact some features are not working correctly.

I detected first problem with Duke 3D in VESA mode - screen was flashing and everything was very slow. I was able to find some info about this and it appears to be the same problem:
NVIDIA Kepler/Maxwell/Pascal VESA Bios Bug (workaround found)

At least MSKVBEF7_2 patch from Falcosoft fixed the issue. Or I can use NOLFB patch for the same effect.

Second problem was Quake 1 - after selecting one of the VESA modes, game crashes with an error: "Unable to load VESA palette". For this I haven't found any fix. I was trying "vid_nopageflip 1" with no luck and Falcosoft's patch doesn't help either. Looks like this is a different problem altogether.

I was also trying some VESA tests and these are mostly failing (flickering or functions are not supported).

Is there someone who can confirm these issues for Quadro 200 NVS? 100 NVS and 400 NVS were mentioned a few times on this forum, but as far as I know, no problems with VESA were reported. There are even benchmarks in several games available for them from The Serpent Rider:
PCI Video cards benchmark: Electric Boogaloo Edition

280 NVS seems to have similar problems, but it uses a different GPU:
PCI GPU Benchmarks of 9200, 9200SE, NVS280, MX4000

Finally I tried vesa12 utility (no fix) and UniVBE (card not supported).

The last thing I can try is to flash BIOS from some MX card, but this could create more issues as this Quadro is PCI and uses DMS-59 output.

Reply 1 of 5, by jarp

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elcrys wrote on 2023-03-19, 21:25:
I detected first problem with Duke 3D in VESA mode - screen was flashing and everything was very slow. I was able to find some i […]
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I detected first problem with Duke 3D in VESA mode - screen was flashing and everything was very slow. I was able to find some info about this and it appears to be the same problem:
NVIDIA Kepler/Maxwell/Pascal VESA Bios Bug (workaround found)
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Second problem was Quake 1 - after selecting one of the VESA modes, game crashes with an error: "Unable to load VESA palette". For this I haven't found any fix. I was trying "vid_nopageflip 1" with no luck and Falcosoft's patch doesn't help either. Looks like this is a different problem altogether.
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280 NVS seems to have similar problems, but it uses a different GPU:
PCI GPU Benchmarks of 9200, 9200SE, NVS280, MX4000
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Finally I tried vesa12 utility (no fix) and UniVBE (card not supported).

For the record; NVS 280 PCI has these problems. However using NVPatch - making UniVBE work on NVidia cards allowed me to use Univbe 6.7 with it which totally fixes at least Duke3D and Quake 1 problems. Not sure if combo works with other NVS cards though, but for NVS 280 it worked just fine.

Reply 2 of 5, by elcrys

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Thanks, I can indeed confirm the patched SDD 6.53 fixed all issues for my card (tried several DOS games with various video modes). Looks like the card has somewhat butchered BIOS in terms of VESA modes.

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Reply 3 of 5, by AaronS

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Interesting card! Is it the same specs as these? https://www.gpuzoo.com/GPU-NVIDIA/Quadro4_200_NVS_PCI.html

If it does indeed have 128 bit bandwidth that would be quite a speedy card, although this page also mentions DirectX 8 which I think NV17 is only DirectX 7, so this site might be incorrect. Even so, this looks like a decent PCI option for Win9x too.

Reply 4 of 5, by elcrys

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Yeah, these specs are not entirely true, but Wikipedia has them right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_ … nits#Quadro_NVS

It's DirectX 7 of course. I also see they have LFH-60 there, which is also correct (I made mistake with DMS-59 in my original post). Good thing is it doesn't run hot. I had it for my P1 200 MMX rig (not Super Socket 7, without AGP). Currently I use FX 5200 PCI there, but it needs to be actively cooled, although it's a passive card too.

Reply 5 of 5, by ElTentakel

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jarp wrote on 2025-07-08, 19:49:
elcrys wrote on 2023-03-19, 21:25:
I detected first problem with Duke 3D in VESA mode - screen was flashing and everything was very slow. I was able to find some i […]
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I detected first problem with Duke 3D in VESA mode - screen was flashing and everything was very slow. I was able to find some info about this and it appears to be the same problem:
NVIDIA Kepler/Maxwell/Pascal VESA Bios Bug (workaround found)
...
Second problem was Quake 1 - after selecting one of the VESA modes, game crashes with an error: "Unable to load VESA palette". For this I haven't found any fix. I was trying "vid_nopageflip 1" with no luck and Falcosoft's patch doesn't help either. Looks like this is a different problem altogether.
...
280 NVS seems to have similar problems, but it uses a different GPU:
PCI GPU Benchmarks of 9200, 9200SE, NVS280, MX4000
...
Finally I tried vesa12 utility (no fix) and UniVBE (card not supported).

For the record; NVS 280 PCI has these problems. However using NVPatch - making UniVBE work on NVidia cards allowed me to use Univbe 6.7 with it which totally fixes at least Duke3D and Quake 1 problems. Not sure if combo works with other NVS cards though, but for NVS 280 it worked just fine.

Oh, thank you very much. I've got two of them a while ago very cheap on ebay, and was very disappointed about that issue.