AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 11:44:

I found it already , thanks though for mentioning it even being there , i had no idea it had to be manually enabled in the bios.

Huzaah we have success! 😁

Cool!

For best performance, make sur you use the one with write caching enabled (the last one posted in that thread, with wc in the zip filename).

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 12:25:

I do have another issue now though , XTIDE wont detect my pioneer dvd drives.

That is a known limitation. It is mentioned in the thread. You should still be able to access the optical drive in Windows 9x and also in DOS (with proper CDROM drivers loaded), but you will not be able to boot from it.

darry wrote on 2024-07-05, 12:29:

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 12:25:

I do have another issue now though , XTIDE wont detect my pioneer dvd drives.

That is a known limitation. It is mentioned in the thread. You should still be able to access the optical drive in Windows 9x and also in DOS (with proper CDROM drivers loaded), but you will not be able to boot from it.

The drives won't appear in WIn98 , do I manually need to reinstall the drivers?

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 12:32:

darry wrote on 2024-07-05, 12:29:

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 12:25:

I do have another issue now though , XTIDE wont detect my pioneer dvd drives.

That is a known limitation. It is mentioned in the thread. You should still be able to access the optical drive in Windows 9x and also in DOS (with proper CDROM drivers loaded), but you will not be able to boot from it.

The drives won't appear in WIn98 , do I manually need to reinstall the drivers?

Does anything have an exclamation mark in device manager ?

Is MS-DOS compatibility mode being used in Windows for disk access ? If so, plug the boot drive into the second IDE controller and the optical drives on the primary. Also make sure nothing got accidentally disconnected.
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Also, the Intel Application Accelerator driver referenced later in the thread might help for both that issue and performance/stability.

darry wrote on 2024-07-05, 12:47:

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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-05, 12:32:

darry wrote on 2024-07-05, 12:29:

That is a known limitation. It is mentioned in the thread. You should still be able to access the optical drive in Windows 9x and also in DOS (with proper CDROM drivers loaded), but you will not be able to boot from it.

The drives won't appear in WIn98 , do I manually need to reinstall the drivers?

Does anything have an exclamation mark in device manager ?

Is MS-DOS compatibility mode being used in Windows for disk access ? If so, plug the boot drive into the second IDE controller and the optical drives on the primary. Also make sure nothing got accidentally disconnected.
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Where is the option for compatibility mode?
I haven't installed anything dos related but its possible I missed switching it off.

I do own an ASUS P3B-F 1.04 and use an Intel 80 GB Sata SSD on primary IDE using an adapter.

ux-3 wrote on 2024-07-06, 09:45:

I do own an ASUS P3B-F 1.04 and use an Intel 80 GB Sata SSD on primary IDE using an adaptor.

Which adapter is it?

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-06, 10:04:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-07-06, 09:45:

I do own an ASUS P3B-F 1.04 and use an Intel 80 GB Sata SSD on primary IDE using an adaptor.

Which adapter is it?

I used a dual direction IDE-sata one. The type with two sata connectors, one for each direction. And I used Ghost2003 to clone the HDD to SSD.

If I were to redo it, I would partition the SSD first on a new system (alignment), then move the partitions using ghost.

ux-3 wrote on 2024-07-06, 10:24:

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-06, 10:04:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-07-06, 09:45:

I do own an ASUS P3B-F 1.04 and use an Intel 80 GB Sata SSD on primary IDE using an adaptor.

Which adapter is it?

I used a dual direction IDE-sata one. The type with two sata connectors, one for each direction. And I used Ghost2003 to clone the HDD to SSD.

If I were to redo it, I would partition the SSD first on a new system (alignment), then move the partitions using ghost.

Right , btw do you know what chip it uses?
Or could you link me to the place you got it from?

I guess could partition it and try using ghost.

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-06, 10:46:

Right , btw do you know what chip it uses?
Or could you link me to the place you got it from?

I bought those some 10(?) years ago. I could look up the chip when I am home again.

ux-3 wrote on 2024-07-06, 11:18:

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-06, 10:46:

Right , btw do you know what chip it uses?
Or could you link me to the place you got it from?

I bought those some 10(?) years ago. I could look up the chip when I am home again.

Thanks a bunch , it would really help.

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-06, 12:06:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-07-06, 11:18:

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-06, 10:46:

Right , btw do you know what chip it uses?
Or could you link me to the place you got it from?

I bought those some 10(?) years ago. I could look up the chip when I am home again.

Thanks a bunch , it would really help.

The fact that it at least works well enough to boot with XTIDE BIOS suggests that the issue is not the adapter or its converter chip, but with the P3B-F board's onboard BIOS not being happy with the SSD.

I seem to recall there being LBA related issues with some newer drives that were small enough to be expected to work (below 127GB) but still failed to due to BIOS issues unless one used a controller card with its own more robust BIOS or XTIDE.

I might be misremembering that last point.

darry wrote on 2024-07-06, 14:13:

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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-06, 12:06:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-07-06, 11:18:

I bought those some 10(?) years ago. I could look up the chip when I am home again.

Thanks a bunch , it would really help.

The fact that it at least works well enough to boot with XTIDE BIOS suggests that the issue is not the adapter or its converter chip, but with the P3B-F board's onboard BIOS not being happy with the SSD.

I seem to recall there being LBA related issues with some newer drives that were small enough to be expected to work (below 127GB) but still failed to due to BIOS issues unless one used a controller card with its own more robust BIOS or XTIDE.

I might be misremembering that last point.

Some Bios don’t gracefully handle storage devices that report more than 65535 cylinders.

https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Storage# … age_Limitations

darry wrote on 2024-07-06, 14:13:

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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-06, 12:06:

ux-3 wrote on 2024-07-06, 11:18:

I bought those some 10(?) years ago. I could look up the chip when I am home again.

Thanks a bunch , it would really help.

The fact that it at least works well enough to boot with XTIDE BIOS suggests that the issue is not the adapter or its converter chip, but with the P3B-F board's onboard BIOS not being happy with the SSD.

I seem to recall there being LBA related issues with some newer drives that were small enough to be expected to work (below 127GB) but still failed to due to BIOS issues unless one used a controller card with its own more robust BIOS or XTIDE.

I might be misremembering that last point.

How did he get a 80gig intel ssd to work on his p3b-f then? Unless he had a different model ssd?

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-07, 03:21:

darry wrote on 2024-07-06, 14:13:

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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-06, 12:06:

Thanks a bunch , it would really help.

The fact that it at least works well enough to boot with XTIDE BIOS suggests that the issue is not the adapter or its converter chip, but with the P3B-F board's onboard BIOS not being happy with the SSD.

I seem to recall there being LBA related issues with some newer drives that were small enough to be expected to work (below 127GB) but still failed to due to BIOS issues unless one used a controller card with its own more robust BIOS or XTIDE.

I might be misremembering that last point.

How did he get a 80gig intel ssd to work on his p3b-f then? Unless he had a different model ssd?

It could be some subtle difference between models snd LBA implementation, I would guess.

I can't test anything right as I'm in the middle of multi-city-wide power failure and the machine I would use currently has no PSU anyway.

If you don't mind a bit of trial and error, I suggest

a) plugging the SSD to the secondary controller, the optical drive to the primary, as master. Leave only the primary controller on auto in ththe BIOS. Then boot into Windows with XTIDE and see if optical drive is there

AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-07, 03:21:

How did he get a 80gig intel ssd to work on his p3b-f then? Unless he had a different model ssd?

I have board revision 1.04. I may have a different bios. I do have a different SSD (silver, iirc Postville?)
I likely have a different adapter. I partitioned into =<32GB.

And I transfered the installed system with Ghost2003. I didn't try to install on SSD.

Lots of options...

darry wrote on 2024-07-07, 05:10:

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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-07, 03:21:

darry wrote on 2024-07-06, 14:13:

The fact that it at least works well enough to boot with XTIDE BIOS suggests that the issue is not the adapter or its converter chip, but with the P3B-F board's onboard BIOS not being happy with the SSD.

I seem to recall there being LBA related issues with some newer drives that were small enough to be expected to work (below 127GB) but still failed to due to BIOS issues unless one used a controller card with its own more robust BIOS or XTIDE.

I might be misremembering that last point.

How did he get a 80gig intel ssd to work on his p3b-f then? Unless he had a different model ssd?

It could be some subtle difference between models snd LBA implementation, I would guess.

I can't test anything right as I'm in the middle of multi-city-wide power failure and the machine I would use currently has no PSU anyway.

If you don't mind a bit of trial and error, I suggest

a) plugging the SSD to the secondary controller, the optical drive to the primary, as master. Leave only the primary controller on auto in ththe BIOS. Then boot into Windows with XTIDE and see if optical drive is there

Sorry to hear about the power failure , we have em sometimes here in Australia and it sucks.
I might try that drive swap a bit later on.

ux-3 wrote on 2024-07-07, 07:18:

I have board revision 1.04. I may have a different bios. I do have a different SSD (silver, iirc Postville?) I likely have a dif […]
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AppleSauce wrote on 2024-07-07, 03:21:

How did he get a 80gig intel ssd to work on his p3b-f then? Unless he had a different model ssd?

I have board revision 1.04. I may have a different bios. I do have a different SSD (silver, iirc Postville?)
I likely have a different adapter. I partitioned into =<32GB.

And I transfered the installed system with Ghost2003. I didn't try to install on SSD.

Lots of options...

My boards a 1.04 as well , I hunted down a 80 gig intel X25 , I'm guessing that's the postville code name you mentioned , which seems to be a pretty early SSD circa 2008 so , ill see if that has better luck than my S3510 from 2015 ish?

Hokay , I am reporting back , the X25 SSD came in today and it worked out of the box , booted lightning fast.
Only thing I did different was image the drive without formatting using winimage , so either that helped or it just straight up doesn't like the other 80 gig intel ssd drive I used.