exoshell wrote on 2024-06-12, 17:41:

exoshell, I was wondering, what does it take to convert your 7000 games to work on the Tinyllama?
There are some CD-ROM emulators that can load the ISO files. Maybe we can use the cM4 in the TL3 that Eivind started to emulate CD-ROM for those games.
Any thoughts?

ahmadexp wrote on 2024-07-16, 22:22:

exoshell, I was wondering, what does it take to convert your 7000 games to work on the Tinyllama? There are some CD-ROM emulator […]
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exoshell wrote on 2024-06-12, 17:41:

exoshell, I was wondering, what does it take to convert your 7000 games to work on the Tinyllama?
There are some CD-ROM emulators that can load the ISO files. Maybe we can use the cM4 in the TL3 that Eivind started to emulate CD-ROM for those games.
Any thoughts?

So called "abandonware" is not supported here. Take this talk elsewhere.

ahmadexp wrote on 2024-07-16, 22:22:

exoshell, I was wondering, what does it take to convert your 7000 games to work on the Tinyllama? There are some CD-ROM emulator […]
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exoshell wrote on 2024-06-12, 17:41:

exoshell, I was wondering, what does it take to convert your 7000 games to work on the Tinyllama?
There are some CD-ROM emulators that can load the ISO files. Maybe we can use the cM4 in the TL3 that Eivind started to emulate CD-ROM for those games.
Any thoughts?

The ITX-Llama is like a machine from the nineties. That's why it's best to use games that are not adapted for today's computers.

If you have the original versions then you won't have as much trouble running them. We've tried various rip versions and they mostly don't work. The worst are games modified for DosBox, these versions have a big problem with Win98 and MSDOS.

centurion2024 wrote on 2024-07-16, 12:02:

Thanks for you reply, you you mean even if i order it, the assembly could be wrong and can short out the components?

I'm in the same boat as you...
I am trying to figure out before ordering. I understand that if JLCPCB is used, components should have the correct orientation, and problem could come from using another manufacturer. But I'm not entirely sure 🙁

Holy cow. So, I just discovered this project thanks to : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogHqmjn6sY4, It's a shame group buys aren't organized anymore as ordering a custom PCB is pretty daunting.

Has anyone in this thread succeeded in ordering from JLPCB etc.?

dylanrw wrote on 2024-09-08, 19:22:

Holy cow. So, I just discovered this project thanks to : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogHqmjn6sY4, It's a shame group buys aren't organized anymore as ordering a custom PCB is pretty daunting.

Has anyone in this thread succeeded in ordering from JLPCB etc.?

+1

just saw the video and would like to buy one of these cards...

Bit2024 wrote on 2024-09-08, 23:18:

dylanrw wrote on 2024-09-08, 19:22:

Holy cow. So, I just discovered this project thanks to : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogHqmjn6sY4, It's a shame group buys aren't organized anymore as ordering a custom PCB is pretty daunting.

Has anyone in this thread succeeded in ordering from JLPCB etc.?

+1

just saw the video and would like to buy one of these cards...

Hello guys,

So, you can pretty much order the board based on the info available on the github for this project:
https://github.com/eivindbohler/itxllama
I can confirm, I built it from the scratch based on all the gerber, BOM and all the firmwares what Eivind provided and it works flawlessly.

The exciting news is that Eivind has been working on the Tiny Llama 3 which is a beast and is he almost done to begin the group order.
If you are interested, check the related thread: TinyLlama 3

All this greatness is thanks to Eivind, so kudos to him.

Ahmad

If anyone is assembling more ITX-Llama boards based on Eivind's amazing work. I'd be keen to put money down for one and pay extra for the assembly effort.

retrosalvage wrote on 2024-09-09, 16:51:

If anyone is assembling more ITX-Llama boards based on Eivind's amazing work. I'd be keen to put money down for one and pay extra for the assembly effort.

+1

I don't know how to order this thought JCBL(?).

Does anyone know the BOM cost?

Hello guys,

So, you can pretty much order the board based on the info available on the github for this project:
https://github.com/eivindbohler/itxllama
I can confirm, I built it from the scratch based on all the gerber, BOM and all the firmwares what Eivind provided and it works flawlessly.

The exciting news is that Eivind has been working on the Tiny Llama 3 which is a beast and is he almost done to begin the group order.
If you are interested, check the related thread: TinyLlama 3

All this greatness is thanks to Eivind, so kudos to him.

Ahmad
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The Llama3 (okay also buy one) doesn't have AGP port.... I would love to tryout some of my 3DFX cards I have been collecting.

Would llama2 support 3DFX cards? Up to 3DFX 3? Or is the processor not powerful enough?

You can get a mini PCI to PCI adapter and get a pci voodoo 3 running. All the tinyllamas have a 1x pcie slot (or rather the soc does), eivind adapted it to "agp" on the itxllama (but it's not "true" agp, it's more like 66mhz PCI afaik (but should still support most cards).

All you need is the right adapter.

However the CPU has basically the performance of a Pentium mmx 233 (roughly) so a voodoo 3 is already kinda overkill (but hey it works so why not)

Would llama2 support 3DFX cards? Up to 3DFX 3? Or is the processor not powerful enough?

As someone who has this board, and absolutely loves it, and while this could "work" you should really aim at late DOS and early Windows 98 games for this system. IMO, a 3DFX card will not be a great experience. I haven't actually tried that though 😀

dylanrw wrote on 2024-09-08, 19:22:

Holy cow. So, I just discovered this project thanks to : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogHqmjn6sY4, It's a shame group buys aren't organized anymore as ordering a custom PCB is pretty daunting.

Has anyone in this thread succeeded in ordering from JLPCB etc.?

Same... I can't believe how I missed this... 🙁

And I am terrible with soldering electronic components...

Count among me as those who only just discovered this existed.
If anyone does intend to sell more, please let me know.

I suggest, you guys group together and put a bulk order to JLPCB or PCBWay. It is really not that hard as they will take care of most of the details for you.
Trust me, there is a next level fun to take it via this route rather than simply ordering it and not appreciating how much work it takes to make such an amazing board.
With regards to 3DFX cards, I pretty much the Voodoo 3000 as well as 4500 and they all work flawlessly on DOS games as well as Windows 98.
Once you get involved with Eivind's art work/projects, you will be always willing to follow his amazing future projects.
If you go back in the pages of this thread you will find my build of the LlamaITX where I was able to squeeze in a Voodoo 3000 card horizontally. It was a bit hard at the beginning since I had to deal with some signal integrity issues related to AGP but I was able to get through it at the end and I love the result.

Cheers,

ahmadexp wrote on 2024-09-09, 21:53:

I suggest, you guys group together and put a bulk order to JLPCB or PCBWay. It is really not that hard as they will take care of […]
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I suggest, you guys group together and put a bulk order to JLPCB or PCBWay. It is really not that hard as they will take care of most of the details for you.
Trust me, there is a next level fun to take it via this route rather than simply ordering it and not appreciating how much work it takes to make such an amazing board.
With regards to 3DFX cards, I pretty much the Voodoo 3000 as well as 4500 and they all work flawlessly on DOS games as well as Windows 98.
Once you get involved with Eivind's art work/projects, you will be always willing to follow his amazing future projects.
If you go back in the pages of this thread you will find my build of the LlamaITX where I was able to squeeze in a Voodoo 3000 card horizontally. It was a bit hard at the beginning since I had to deal with some signal integrity issues related to AGP but I was able to get through it at the end and I love the result.
If you guys choose to take the JLPCB or PCBWay route with a group order, I will be happy to assist you, so count on me.
If you want to take the hand assembly route, I still have 2 PCBs left and I will be happy to pass to you (first come, first served).

Cheers,

Hello Ahmad,

That's an excellent suggestion, thank you very much for it! 😀

I am ignorant about these two services and never dared to use them...

Do they allow group-buys?

I am not aware of any group order service.
If you are really into the project, you can order it in one piece or order multiple and sell it other other fellows as the qty increases the price drops, but that will be an investment on your end.

ahmadexp wrote on 2024-09-09, 23:19:

You have to figure that part out on your own. Maybe we can have a WhatsApp chat group, discuss how many people want it. Then figure out the price and see if everyone wants to pay their share and take it from there.

Unsure if people are keen to share their phone numbers via a public forum...

Perhaps Discord is better in this case...

I do not know if @Eivind has a Discord server but I do not mind creating one for the Llama stuff and handing it over to him 😀

Here are the details from my order from last time:
I ordered 5 PCBs, one was fully assembled and I hand soldered the other one on (just because I enjoy doing it).
The price for 5 PCBs and one fully assembled was $847.09 USD by PCBWay.
For the one that I hand assembled, I spent about $150 on components.
Hand assembly took me over 12 hours and I enjoyed every single bit of it (Started early morning and finished the board by 9pm).
Also, keep in mind that they did not have every component such as the double stack PS/2 connector, SATA connector, TOS link connector and one more think that I do not recall and I had to harvest those from some other scraps that I had.
If you wonder why the assembly cost is so high, well there are over 400 components (92 different ones). PCBWay changes you based on the number of components, especially when you have a low quantity. Also, the assembled board took over 4 weeks to be ready, mainly because they were ordering the components from different sources and they had to wait for each of them to arrive.
I hope that helps.

Also, you should know how to program the AT Tiny micro controller that handles some of the board management stuff. That one requires at least an Arduino with some bread board if you do not want to spend money on an AVR AT Tiny programmer. The Pico 204o micro controller is easy to program. If you want to have the modem and the mt32-pi, then you have to go through those as well. This is not an easy project, especially when you want to do it from scratch, but definitely not impossible. I have done it and I really enjoyed it.
As far as I know, Eivind does not have a Discord channel as this is not a business or a product and handling customer service etc is not the easiest thing to do, especially when you want it pro bono.