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First post, by Cursed Derp

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Heyyyyyyyyyyyo,
I bought that dell Dimension 4100 and it came with a new sb live! Ct4780 (is that the shifty oem version?) as well as some generic agp card and this 56k pci modem. Can anyone tell me if this modem is any good? Also what is this agp card?
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Reply 1 of 20, by darry

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The video card is probably a Dell OEM TNT2 M64.

The modem is some OEM Lucent/Agere based 56K winmodem (or possibly even a host signal processing one, Lucent/Agere also made chips for those at some point, AFAICR). Lucent based winmodems ( LT Winmodems) were some of the better winmodems, IMHO.

Reply 5 of 20, by VivienM

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Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-09-11, 21:43:

Stuff like UT, half life, early 2000s 3d, 2d games

Assuming this is indeed a TNT2 M64 - I had a Dell TNT2 M64 in 2000-1 and I thought it was perfectly adequate for things like UT at 1024x768 or whatever resolution it was that I played it at. Coming from a lousy ATI soldered chip with bad drivers on an IBM-nee-Acer Aptiva, I thought it was an excellent card given my budget did not let me pick the GeForce GTS. And I think Dell had discontinued the full TNT2 by that point...

But... we are not in 2000-1, so... I think the answer is probably a lot more nuanced. I think I read around here that the TNT2 M64 is one of the last cards with Win3.1 drivers; if that's correct, that's a retro characteristic in its favour. But otherwise... there are a lot of better options for a 98SE system, even something like a GF4 MX.

Reply 7 of 20, by gdjacobs

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Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-09-11, 22:12:

Cool so the 3d card is good. Is the ct4780 okay for dos and windows (build games, eax, doom, sound fonts, dos games)

SB Live cards provide some degree of Dos compatibility, but it's not great compared to many other pci cards.

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Reply 8 of 20, by ElectroSoldier

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Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-09-11, 21:22:

Is the graphics card good?

Let the memories live again.
Play some games on it and see.

As long as it isnt a Winmodem then... Its a modem, without more details such as serial numbers its hard to tell from that photo

Reply 9 of 20, by jmarsh

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ElectroSoldier wrote on 2024-09-12, 03:47:

As long as it isnt a Winmodem then... Its a modem, without more details such as serial numbers its hard to tell from that photo

As if being a PCI internal modem wasn't enough, it's a Lucent/Agere chipset... practically guaranteed to be a winmodem.

Reply 10 of 20, by rasz_pl

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Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-09-11, 20:55:

and this 56k pci modem. Can anyone tell me if this modem is any good?

any good for what? Which ISP do you use>? how far from the colo do you live? 😁

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Reply 11 of 20, by dormcat

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darry wrote on 2024-09-11, 21:13:

The video card is probably a Dell OEM TNT2 M64.

Yes, with 32MB VRAM.

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Reply 12 of 20, by dionb

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dormcat wrote on 2024-09-12, 17:13:
darry wrote on 2024-09-11, 21:13:

The video card is probably a Dell OEM TNT2 M64.

Yes, with 32MB VRAM.

Looks more like SDRAM to me. Don't think any nVidia-based cards used VRAM other than the nV1 / Diamond Edge3D-3000

Reply 14 of 20, by VivienM

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Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-09-13, 00:56:

OK if anyone has the drivers for the graphics card that would be awesome post the link if you have one
Thanks

www.nvidia.com ?

(I'm not trying to be facetious, but it seems to be offering drivers for the TNT2 family to this day... don't think the Dell cards need special drivers)

Reply 15 of 20, by soggi

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Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-09-11, 21:43:

Stuff like UT, half life, early 2000s 3d, 2d games

Back in the days when it was current hardware I didn't know a TNT2 M64 exists. We had 3dfx Voodoo3 cards (after we updated from some crappy cards), then nVidia GeForce and ATI Radeon cards. Some years later I had a look on M64 and Vanta cards from ebay hardware boxes and they were crappy. Today I own one TNT, one TNT2...and many TNT2 M64 and Vanta, nobody wants to have them (in contrast to the mentioned TNT/TNT2 cards) and they are cheap in price and quality. Especially the RAMDACs (and therefor image quality) were horrible on nVidia cards - 3dfx, ATI and Matrox had by far the best image quality back then.

-> Read this topic on VOGONS: RIVA TNT2 M64 .VS. 3dfx voodoo 3 2000 AGP which is superior? and AnandTech's test of the TNT2 M64: https://www.anandtech.com/show/393.

So...to play UT get a 3dfx Voodoo2 (SLI) or Voodoo3 if you want to play in Glide, else get a better GPU. Half-Life also looks great on a ATI Radeon 9700 f.e. and you won't run it on a Voodoo3 or less when playing a fast deathmatch where you need 60 FPS (or better much more) - I was a HLDM (Half-Life Deathmatch) junkie back then...for single player in 800*600 the TNT2 M64 should be enough.

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Reply 16 of 20, by Shponglefan

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Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-09-11, 21:43:

Stuff like UT, half life, early 2000s 3d, 2d games

It should be okay for 3D games up to 1998-1999 or so. It's not going to be the fastest card of the era, but it should be playable.

Once you're getting into 2000s era 3D games, you'll want something better.

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Reply 17 of 20, by dionb

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Cursed Derp wrote on 2024-09-13, 00:56:

OK if anyone has the drivers for the graphics card that would be awesome post the link if you have one
Thanks

Look on Vogonsdrivers.com - a good place to check for any vintage drivers

You will find tens of different versions there. I'll leave it to you to read up on why that might be and to figure out which would be best in your case. Try to be a bit pro-active.

Reply 19 of 20, by dormcat

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dionb wrote on 2024-09-13, 00:06:
dormcat wrote on 2024-09-12, 17:13:
darry wrote on 2024-09-11, 21:13:

The video card is probably a Dell OEM TNT2 M64.

Yes, with 32MB VRAM.

Looks more like SDRAM to me. Don't think any nVidia-based cards used VRAM other than the nV1 / Diamond Edge3D-3000

I used the term "VRAM" in a less specific manner, as in "video memory." I assume that you meant those dual-ported variant; in that case I have only used one graphics card with dual-ported VRAM (Number Nine 9FX Motion 771) in my life. 😅 IIRC VRAM disappeared after cheaper S3 Trio series (without VRAM support) overwhelmed the market.