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Coppermine vs Coppermine T: Cooler clearance and pressure

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First post, by Mondodimotori

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Since the Socket A build is on hiatus until I get the Enermax back, I've decided to start looking into the 370 build, and I have a doubt that I wasn't able to clear by surfing this forum and the wider net.

I have a QDI Advance 10E, a full ATX socket 370 mobo that supports up to Coppermine Pentium III (by the manual itself). Nice mobo, with AGP slot and several PCI slots.
Currently it has a Celeron 700, wich is pretty slow with the OS installed, Windows 2000 (I may convert it to a 9x build if the socket A machine keeps being more headaches than else), and I wanted to upgrade it to a Pentium III 1000.
What I've read is that Pentium IIIs up to Coppermine have the die exposed and no rubbery thingies (like Athlon and Duron) to help with the cooler installation, thus making it much easier to crack the die and kill the CPU.
So I was looking at Coppermine T processors, wich should still be fully compatible with the mobo, and the heatspreader can help with installing the cooler safely. But since the IHS is taller, I was wondering: How does this affect cooler compatibility and pressures on both the CPU and the socket itself?
I alredy have a standard cooler on the machine, and I think it should be enough to keep it cool (the sensor on the mobo appears to be busted, since it always report 51° no matter what, even in BIOS at first cold boot). I also have a couple of spare A/370 coolers that I got just in case for my Athlon. And I wanted to make sure that, if I take the Coppermine T option, I won't have problems with overstressing either the CPU or the socket, since these coolers attach directly to the plastic clips on the socket itself, and the slightly taller CPU may put more stress on them.
Or I could also use the current Celeron 700 as a training tool and spend a couple of hours removing and reinstalling the cooler until I can do it perfectly, and then just get myself a Coppermine without IHS, since they're also cheaper on the used market than Coppermine T.

What are your thoughts and/or experiences on the matter?

Reply 1 of 5, by Babasha

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Never get any troubles with usual Coppermines and any coolers. Simple troublefree installation.
There is one nuance with Coppermine-T - they are slighly slower comparing with same freq. usual Coppermines. Dont know why.

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Reply 2 of 5, by Mondodimotori

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Babasha wrote on 2024-09-20, 12:38:

Never get any troubles with usual Coppermines and any coolers. Simple troublefree installation.
There is one nuance with Coppermine-T - they are slighly slower comparing with same freq. usual Coppermines. Dont know why.

Ah! I haven't read anything about Coppermine Ts being slower than their non IHS counterpart.
But I've for sure read about some people having troubles changing coolers. And since I'm not that delicate with my hands, I was wondering what difference would it make to mounting pressures on both the CPU and Socket when using Coppermines with IHS.

But if they are slighly slower, I'll just practice replacing the cooler with the Celeron and, when feeling confident, install the Coppermine. They're alredy slower than Athlons of the time (and the 1400C I have on socket A), I don't want to leave even more performances on the table, even if they can be negligible. Do you have any documentation about them being slower? I'm curios about this nuance.

Reply 3 of 5, by Ydee

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I have a Coppermine Celeron with heatspreader and I don't see any difference in installing a cooler on it or on a PIII without a heatspreader.
I've never been able to damage a CPU without a heatspreader - not Intel, not AMD. All you have to do is not press on the cooler and properly snap the clasp behind the socket handles.

Reply 5 of 5, by Mondodimotori

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Ydee wrote on 2024-09-20, 14:49:

I have a Coppermine Celeron with heatspreader and I don't see any difference in installing a cooler on it or on a PIII without a heatspreader.
I've never been able to damage a CPU without a heatspreader - not Intel, not AMD. All you have to do is not press on the cooler and properly snap the clasp behind the socket handles.

Ok, that's nice to know that they are similar, since I've been reading different opinions on the matter that always stopped before a definitive answer.

Me neither, I've performed several swaps on Socket A recently, for the first time, and didn't had any problems. But then, 370 is a little different because the CPU doens't have anything else other than the die, so it's nice to know people don't have problems with it.

Babasha wrote on 2024-09-20, 15:41:

Here is my test - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VMrnk … #gid=1889254183

Great! I'll take a look, becausze it's weird that they would perform worse, since they are basically the same die. In this case I'm more than reassured in getting a Coppermine without IHS.

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