Dothan Burger wrote on 2024-11-01, 19:57:

I think the Banshee would be a great fit. The Voodoo 3000 seems to be CPU limited by the slow Vortex86EX.

Perfect!
I recently picked up a Banshee, but I haven't tested it yet.
It looks like it is in really good condition and the previous owner stuck a fan on the heat sink so maybe it lived a cool life.

I'm going to use the Llama for my main dos gaming machine. It's tiny form should make it easier to keep things clean an compact.
I also grabbed this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CCLDZJ8F case for the build. It seemed fitting, but I guess it will need to be modified for the AGP slot. I may end up changing it out or heavily modifying it to fit a CD drive.

I'm pretty excited for this, it actually feels like a proper Christmas gift. Now if it just didn't cost so much money 😀

Has anyone had much luck with any of the demoscene productions running correctly on the ITX Llama? Specifically the audio.

I've tried both Second Reality and Crystal Dreams II and both have have crackly audio that sounds like it's missing half the audio channels or pops and whistles instead of the audio tracks.

Thgill wrote on 2024-11-02, 02:14:

Has anyone had much luck with any of the demoscene productions running correctly on the ITX Llama? Specifically the audio.

I've tried both Second Reality and Crystal Dreams II and both have have crackly audio that sounds like it's missing half the audio channels or pops and whistles instead of the audio tracks.

Can you upload it to your phone and give us a link?

Vridek wrote on 2024-11-02, 17:39:

Thgill wrote on 2024-11-02, 02:14:

Has anyone had much luck with any of the demoscene productions running correctly on the ITX Llama? Specifically the audio.

I've tried both Second Reality and Crystal Dreams II and both have have crackly audio that sounds like it's missing half the audio channels or pops and whistles instead of the audio tracks.

Can you upload it to your phone and give us a link?

Here is a link to the demo on Pouet: https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=63

I've tried a couple other demos with similar results.

Here is a video of how it's behaving.

https://youtu.be/tTFxbSNVHps

Thgill wrote on 2024-11-02, 02:14:

Has anyone had much luck with any of the demoscene productions running correctly on the ITX Llama? Specifically the audio.

I've tried both Second Reality and Crystal Dreams II and both have have crackly audio that sounds like it's missing half the audio channels or pops and whistles instead of the audio tracks.

Have you tried slowing down the machine? Not sure if Second Reality is speed sensitive, but it was made for 486s.

There is also a patch for the demo that fixes some issues with faster machines: Re: Future Crew's "Second Reality" Demo won't run properly under DOSBox 0.7x

janih wrote on 2024-11-04, 07:34:

Thgill wrote on 2024-11-02, 02:14:

Has anyone had much luck with any of the demoscene productions running correctly on the ITX Llama? Specifically the audio.

I've tried both Second Reality and Crystal Dreams II and both have have crackly audio that sounds like it's missing half the audio channels or pops and whistles instead of the audio tracks.

Have you tried slowing down the machine? Not sure if Second Reality is speed sensitive, but it was made for 486s.

There is also a patch for the demo that fixes some issues with faster machines: Re: Future Crew's "Second Reality" Demo won't run properly under DOSBox 0.7x

I have. I went through all the sub 300mhz speeds and disabled both caches and it still results in the same thing.

I was thinking about it last night and honestly it almost sounds like PC speaker/beeper like sound. Which makes wonder if its some kind of audio driver issue.

I know the drivers for the audio are baked into the bios.

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janih wrote on 2024-11-04, 07:34:

Thgill wrote on 2024-11-02, 02:14:

Has anyone had much luck with any of the demoscene productions running correctly on the ITX Llama? Specifically the audio.

I've tried both Second Reality and Crystal Dreams II and both have have crackly audio that sounds like it's missing half the audio channels or pops and whistles instead of the audio tracks.

Have you tried slowing down the machine? Not sure if Second Reality is speed sensitive, but it was made for 486s.

There is also a patch for the demo that fixes some issues with faster machines: Re: Future Crew's "Second Reality" Demo won't run properly under DOSBox 0.7x

I have. I went through all the sub 300mhz speeds and disabled both caches and it still results in the same thing.

I was thinking about it last night and honestly it almost sounds like PC speaker/beeper like sound. Which makes wonder if its some kind of audio driver issue.

I know the drivers for the audio are baked into the bios.

I got the same result with Second Reality as you. Tried all kinds of things (patched the demo, slowed down cpu speed, disabled OPL module etc) but always got crackly audio.

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Has anyone tried a Hercules prophet Kyro 4500 on the ITX Llama?

Dothan Burger wrote on 2024-11-23, 00:39:

Has anyone tried a Hercules prophet Kyro 4500 on the ITX Llama?

not that I know of but if it's a standard AGP card it will likely work.

Dothan Burger wrote on 2024-11-23, 00:39:

Has anyone tried a Hercules prophet Kyro 4500 on the ITX Llama?

I will let you know soon. I have a Hercules prophet Kyro 4500 on its way.

Thinking about which AGP card to get for this system...given the system specs, which one would make sense here? Looking at quite pricey HD 3850, but given 1x AGP speed and CPU specs, it would most likely never reach its full potential

Decided on a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 128MB (clocked at 250MHz), which is still an overkill, but should work pretty decently under Windows 98

Feliksas wrote on 2024-12-02, 13:27:

Decided on a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 128MB (clocked at 250MHz), which is still an overkill, but should work pretty decently under Windows 98

Nvidia's cards don't work in Windows with ITX-Llama. They'll hang on start up. Something to do with drivers expecting the AGP bus to support certain features I believe. Maybe modified drivers could help? Ati Radeon, 3dfx Voodoo, S3 and SiS cards should work in Windows 98.

janih wrote on 2024-12-02, 13:41:

Feliksas wrote on 2024-12-02, 13:27:

Decided on a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 128MB (clocked at 250MHz), which is still an overkill, but should work pretty decently under Windows 98

Nvidia's cards don't work in Windows with ITX-Llama. They'll hang on start up. Something to do with drivers expecting the AGP bus to support certain features I believe. Maybe modified drivers could help? Ati Radeon, 3dfx Voodoo, S3 and SiS cards should work in Windows 98.

Don't the older Nvidia cards like Riva 128 and TNT work either?

Something like Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB, then?

General_Prilla wrote on 2024-12-02, 13:53:

janih wrote on 2024-12-02, 13:41:

Nvidia's cards don't work in Windows with ITX-Llama. They'll hang on start up. Something to do with drivers expecting the AGP bus to support certain features I believe. Maybe modified drivers could help? Ati Radeon, 3dfx Voodoo, S3 and SiS cards should work in Windows 98.

Don't the older Nvidia cards like Riva 128 and TNT work either?

I tried a TNT2 card and it also did not work in W98. I haven't tried a Riva 128 card.

Feliksas wrote on 2024-12-02, 13:54:

Something like Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB, then?

That should be ok.

@eivind

Do you think maybe PCIMP.PCI needs to be in system32\drivers and loaded in registry under win98 for AGP to work?

edit:
Like in this chipset driver inf

https://contents.driverguide.com/content.php? … winme%2F830.inf

under the NO_DRV_Intel_AGP_AddReg section it has PCIMP.PCI for the AGP controller.

janih wrote on 2024-12-02, 14:43:

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General_Prilla wrote on 2024-12-02, 13:53:

janih wrote on 2024-12-02, 13:41:

Nvidia's cards don't work in Windows with ITX-Llama. They'll hang on start up. Something to do with drivers expecting the AGP bus to support certain features I believe. Maybe modified drivers could help? Ati Radeon, 3dfx Voodoo, S3 and SiS cards should work in Windows 98.

Don't the older Nvidia cards like Riva 128 and TNT work either?

I tried a TNT2 card and it also did not work in W98. I haven't tried a Riva 128 card.

Feliksas wrote on 2024-12-02, 13:54:

Something like Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB, then?

That should be ok.

I doubt the 9600pro will work, I tried a Connect 3d 9550 Universal AGP and it didn't work. Highest I've been able to run is R200/RV280