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First post, by Razgriz

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So I've bought and restored a 98 machine (Gateway ATXSTF) and have run into some issues with the HDD. The machine didn't come with one, so first I bought a seagate IDE. Worked great for a month before refusing to boot into windows at all and scandisk would crash about 20% of the way through. Bought a brand new, unformatted one and it worked perfectly fine for exactly 2 days. I followed JosephJoestar's instructions for installing drivers for the SBLive! that came with it, installed the Nvidia driver for the Geforce 2 that came with it and went to bed. Wake up this morning and when I tried to copy over BMOUSE from a cd since I intend to play some Build engine games on it, the dreaded BSOD shows up and says disk write error. Press enter, get to use the explorer again and when I swap out the cd with one full of midi samples and try to copy them over, I get the same issue. Deleting files on the HDD doesn't seem to trigger this at all but even copying files on the disk to another directory will. It's also a coin toss if it will allow me to return to windows or if it will suddenly give a full on crash that gives the option to reset or return to windows, but no key combination does anything so I have to hard power it down.

Gateway ATXSTF FED Performance 1000
Nvidia Geforce 2 AGP
Pentium III 1.00 Ghz
512 MB RAM
Sound Blaster Live! 4870

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Reply 1 of 8, by Razgriz

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i've reseated all cables and just to make sure it wasn't some kind of issue with RAM failure, have put in a backup stick of 128mb RAM. I'm running scandisk in Windows now, hopefully any errors are mitigated or killed.

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Reply 2 of 8, by Repo Man11

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If it were me, I would run Memtest86 if you haven't already.

After watching many YouTube videos about older computer hardware, YouTube began recommending videos about trains - are they trying to tell me something?

Reply 3 of 8, by Razgriz

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2025-01-22, 23:22:

If it were me, I would run Memtest86 if you haven't already.

When ScanDisk finishes I'll reseat the original ram and run it. I just really wanna make sure I don't have to buy anoooother HDD.
Sidenote, does anyone know reputable places to get floppies?^^; the 50 or so I have from my old job seem to not let me write to them at all on my windows 10 machine, even with the write protection tab in the proper place.

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Reply 4 of 8, by Major Jackyl

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2025-01-22, 23:22:

If it were me, I would run Memtest86 if you haven't already.

This sounds like a good idea to me, as the Gateway itself sounds pretty "new" to OP

In my experience, this is a sign of a bad drive or compatibility issue. It's easy to isolate the issue with another computer or a PCI IDE card. I've been able to keep dying drives alive by formatting in another computer before using.

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I look at the SMART values and determine the "life" left by how many hours it's already been running. Drives with these kind of hours should be iffy, but as long as it works, I'll keep using it until it starts doing that: "Disk Write Error" or "Disk Read Error". I try not to keep any "valuable" information on anything "old".

If the drive is very new, ATA133, the board may take issue with that as well. It looks like an Intel D815-EEA, which supports ATA66/100.

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Reply 5 of 8, by Major Jackyl

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Razgriz wrote on 2025-01-22, 23:33:
Repo Man11 wrote on 2025-01-22, 23:22:

If it were me, I would run Memtest86 if you haven't already.

When ScanDisk finishes I'll reseat the original ram and run it. I just really wanna make sure I don't have to buy anoooother HDD.
Sidenote, does anyone know reputable places to get floppies?^^; the 50 or so I have from my old job seem to not let me write to them at all on my windows 10 machine, even with the write protection tab in the proper place.

I'll assume you're using a USB floppy drive? I don't believe Windows 10 would even know what to do with it even if it was able to give it a drive letter. I don't have a USB floppy, but I want to get one now, as it sounds like a fun/tricky problem to diagnose.

Do the floppies work in the Gateway?

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Reply 6 of 8, by Razgriz

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Major Jackyl wrote on 2025-01-22, 23:36:
This sounds like a good idea to me, as the Gateway itself sounds pretty "new" to OP […]
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Repo Man11 wrote on 2025-01-22, 23:22:

If it were me, I would run Memtest86 if you haven't already.

This sounds like a good idea to me, as the Gateway itself sounds pretty "new" to OP

In my experience, this is a sign of a bad drive or compatibility issue. It's easy to isolate the issue with another computer or a PCI IDE card. I've been able to keep dying drives alive by formatting in another computer before using.

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I look at the SMART values and determine the "life" left by how many hours it's already been running. Drives with these kind of hours should be iffy, but as long as it works, I'll keep using it until it starts doing that: "Disk Write Error" or "Disk Read Error". I try not to keep any "valuable" information on anything "old".

If the drive is very new, ATA133, the board may take issue with that as well. It looks like an Intel D815-EEA, which supports ATA66/100.

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Site i bought it from deals primarily in refurbished old machines (just without hard drives) and I was actually incredibly surprised that when i did the first open and look around, it was entirely clean.

The place I bought this specific HDD from lists it as a ST3802110A and it has the Ultra ATA logo on the label.

Major Jackyl wrote on 2025-01-22, 23:40:
Razgriz wrote on 2025-01-22, 23:33:
Repo Man11 wrote on 2025-01-22, 23:22:

If it were me, I would run Memtest86 if you haven't already.

When ScanDisk finishes I'll reseat the original ram and run it. I just really wanna make sure I don't have to buy anoooother HDD.
Sidenote, does anyone know reputable places to get floppies?^^; the 50 or so I have from my old job seem to not let me write to them at all on my windows 10 machine, even with the write protection tab in the proper place.

I'll assume you're using a USB floppy drive? I don't believe Windows 10 would even know what to do with it even if it was able to give it a drive letter. I don't have a USB floppy, but I want to get one now, as it sounds like a fun/tricky problem to diagnose.

Do the floppies work in the Gateway?

I am using a USB floppy drive. Were it about 15 years ago I could have pulled out my old laptop and swapped to the right drive but alas.

I haven't tried to use floppies with it yet. Wanted to make sure everything was functional with this reinstall first.

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Reply 7 of 8, by Major Jackyl

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Doesn't seem like a compatibility issue. The "product overview" is from 2006, so it is "newer" relative to the computer. I do like how quiet they are.

Main Loadout (daily drivers):
Intel TE430VX, Pentium Sy022 (133), Cirrus Logic 5440, SB16 CT1740
ECS K7S5A, A-XP1600+, MSI R9550
ASUS M2N-E, A64X2-4600+, PNY GTX670, SB X-Fi Elite Pro
MSI Z690, Intel 12900K, MSI RTX3090, SB AE-7

Reply 8 of 8, by Razgriz

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Burned an ISO of Memtest86 from their website and sure enough the previous RAM had gone bad. Original stick it came with was fine and the issue hasn't repeated at all so I'll be sticking with that until I can get more. What I get for going for a cheaper deal...

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