I'll play with the fake 9800XT and see if I can get the 9800SE firmware working on it.
No point, you probably won't get anything further out of this in terms of performance, since the slow RAM is the limiting factor.
If anything, you might either brick the card or make it artifact if the 9800SE BIOS tries to run the RAM at higher clocks / lower timings that the installed RAM on this card doesn't support. In fact, the latter is very likely to be the result. Whatever the China factory that churned out these did to the BIOS probably was for a reason and can't be improved on. And again, I suspect that since the RAM is ran at 183 MHz instead of the full 200 MHz that the chips are rated for, then they are probably either reject or pulled chips with issues... so that RAM speed is as good as it will get.
Instead of flashing, try using ATI Tool to see where limits of the RAM and GPU are. If you can't increase anything, leave it all as-is.
That looks exactly like my card. I would have to double check the memory chips, but I'm pretty sure it's a Sapphire.
Nah,
Sapphire never used those shit cap brands.
The PCB may be a copy of Sapphire... but I'm pretty certain it's just a no-name Chinese factory that churned out this card and not a known AIB.
Installed a 7600GT in the machine to replace the fake 9800XT. Maxing out the 3700+. Not 100% period correct but much better score ;-P
I'd say it's pretty much period correct.
Sure, when socket 754 came out the GeForce 7000 series were not out yet... and I don't even remember if the 6000 series were (but I think they were.)
Still, I'm sure that anyone who would have had such high-end s754 CPU at the time probably kept their system for a few years - enough to catch the release of the GF7000 series and still be considered a decent rig.
So at least in my eyes, it's period correct. 😉
BTW, I also have a similar s754 rig with this similar combo, but not quite as good as yours. It's a 3200+ (though a Venice core s754) and a 7600 GS. The lower memory clocks on my 7600 GS make it slouch a little more... but it still beats my 6800 XT AGP in just about every situation.
momakawrote on 2025-02-06, 09:26:I'd say it's pretty much period correct.
Sure, when socket 754 came out the GeForce 7000 series were not out yet... and I don't […] Show full quote
I'd say it's pretty much period correct.
Sure, when socket 754 came out the GeForce 7000 series were not out yet... and I don't even remember if the 6000 series were (but I think they were.)
Still, I'm sure that anyone who would have had such high-end s754 CPU at the time probably kept their system for a few years - enough to catch the release of the GF7000 series and still be considered a decent rig.
So at least in my eyes, it's period correct. 😉
BTW, I also have a similar s754 rig with this similar combo, but not quite as good as yours. It's a 3200+ (though a Venice core s754) and a 7600 GS. The lower memory clocks on my 7600 GS make it slouch a little more... but it still beats my 6800 XT AGP in just about every situation.
Thank you for the kind words. You’ve made me feel a lot better about the build. The motherboard, CPU, and 7600GT was purchased from the original owner. Back in the day he upgraded the computer from a 3200+ to the 3700+ and the graphics card from a Fx5200 to the 7600GT, so you’re right, it is period correct, its what the original owner used during that period.
momakawrote on 2025-02-06, 09:26:I'd say it's pretty much period correct.
Sure, when socket 754 came out the GeForce 7000 series were not out yet... and I don't […] Show full quote
I'd say it's pretty much period correct.
Sure, when socket 754 came out the GeForce 7000 series were not out yet... and I don't even remember if the 6000 series were (but I think they were.)
Still, I'm sure that anyone who would have had such high-end s754 CPU at the time probably kept their system for a few years - enough to catch the release of the GF7000 series and still be considered a decent rig.
So at least in my eyes, it's period correct. 😉
BTW, I also have a similar s754 rig with this similar combo, but not quite as good as yours. It's a 3200+ (though a Venice core s754) and a 7600 GS. The lower memory clocks on my 7600 GS make it slouch a little more... but it still beats my 6800 XT AGP in just about every situation.
Thank you for the kind words. You’ve made me feel a lot better about the build. The motherboard, CPU, and 7600GT was purchased from the original owner. Back in the day he upgraded the computer from a 3200+ to the 3700+ and the graphics card from a Fx5200 to the 7600GT, so you’re right, it is period correct, its what the original owner used during that period.
Similar to my setup but I have the PCIe 754 rig with the 3700+, still hunting for a SLI 754 board, one of the few made may show up eventually.
I only went with PCIe as it adds a little more flexibility to what GPU I can throw at it.
Its a compact little board with on board 6100 and sound.
Not amazing by any means but I have a ASUS K8V SE Deluxe as my AGP backup, IIRC this board came with a Semperon 3400+ which is the top Semperon for 754, its no 3700+ but its not a slouch either 😁
1. Disabled AGP Fast Write in the BIOS
2. Reinstalled XP
3. Installed VIA Hyperion Pro 5.24A drivers
4. Installed .NET 2.0
5. Installed Catalyst 7.11 drivers
6. Made sure V-sync was turned off
7. Set Catalyst option to Performance
Got a 3DMark03 score of 3600. A nice little improvement but still massive performance issue.
BUT…
I think I found the problem. If you look at the specs on my card
Is it possible the previous owner flashed another BIOS? Or is it possible to set the graphics and memory clock speed in the BIOS?
I really hope the previous owner hasn’t down clocked the card to hide some issue. Arrrg!!
Judging by the GPU-Z screenshot you posted, your card is a 9800SE. A cut down 128bit memory bus version with lower GPU clock and slow memory. If that is indeed the case then your 3dmark score is perfectly fine, as that's what a 9800SE scores. It's weird that it's detected as an XT, but I've seen this before.
Trashbyteswrote on 2025-02-04, 23:22:None of the 9800 cards show there even match the component layout we can see on this card, the sticker on the back suggests this […] Show full quote
None of the 9800 cards show there even match the component layout we can see on this card, the sticker on the back suggests this is an ATI model but again it doesn't appear to follow any of the known ATI layouts for the 9800/Pro/XT. The two chokes/coils are a dead give away something isn't right here as I dont believe ATI ever used that type on their cards.
It could be a weird ATI model for all I know but too many other things are odd with it.
Could it be a modded 9800 SE ? This one from Palit uses a crazily similar board component layout along with similar ram and a 128 bit bus. This image is missing a few caps but you can see how the layout would be if they were present, the 9800SE used lower aulity parts, had similar clocks to this card but it used the R350 core.
Just noticed this post. Your card is definitely a 9800SE or some other cut-down version. You can tell by type of ram you have installed - 5ns PGA package (rectangular, long, visible pins). The 9800XT only comes with 3.2 or 3.6ns BGA ram (smaller and square)
Installed a 7600GT in the machine to replace the fake 9800XT. Maxing out the 3700+. Not 100% period correct but much better score ;-P
I wonder what score you get on 3D Mark 2001. I no longer have my AGP socket 754 rig as I swapped the board for PCIe version.
3D Mark 2001, Athlon 64 3400+, 1024x768 32bit
FX5600 (AGP) - 8548
7600GT (AGP) - 18569
9800GT (PCIe) - 27622
7600GT is fine for Windows XP flight simulators, sports games, many racing games (except for the very demanding Need for Speed titles - Most Wanted and later).
3D Mark 2003, Athlon 64 3400+, 1024x768 32bit
9800GT (PCIe) - 29511
I didn't run 3D Mark 2003 on my AGP rig before I dismantled it unfortunately. I still have the hard drive with OS, but the CPU is in another board already and my spare CPU is only 3200+. Socket 754 3400+ is not that common and 3700+ is very rare.
3D Mark 2005, Athlon 64 3400+, 1024x768 32bit
9800GT (PCIe) - 10787
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Pentium III 900E, ECS P6BXT-A+, 384MB RAM, GeForce FX 5600 128MB, Voodoo 2 12MB, Yamaha SM718 ISA
Athlon 64 3400+, Gigabyte GA-K8NE, 2GB RAM, GeForce 9800GT 512MB, Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
Phenom II X6 1100, Asus 990FX, 32GB RAM, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
I was fortunate to pick up a decent 9800 SE. I added a knockoff flower style card cooler to it, and it unlocked with Omega drivers. Though only 128 bit, when paired with a decent CPU it does pretty well. It can handle 400 MHz core and 330 Mhz for the memory
After watching many YouTube videos about older computer hardware, YouTube began recommending videos about trains - are they trying to tell me something?
AlexZwrote on 2025-02-09, 00:17:I wonder what score you get on 3D Mark 2001. I no longer have my AGP socket 754 rig as I swapped the board for PCIe version. […] Show full quote
Installed a 7600GT in the machine to replace the fake 9800XT. Maxing out the 3700+. Not 100% period correct but much better score ;-P
I wonder what score you get on 3D Mark 2001. I no longer have my AGP socket 754 rig as I swapped the board for PCIe version.
3D Mark 2001, Athlon 64 3400+, 1024x768 32bit
FX5600 (AGP) - 8548
7600GT (AGP) - 18569
9800GT (PCIe) - 27622
7600GT is fine for Windows XP flight simulators, sports games, many racing games (except for the very demanding Need for Speed titles - Most Wanted and later).
3D Mark 2003, Athlon 64 3400+, 1024x768 32bit
9800GT (PCIe) - 29511
I didn't run 3D Mark 2003 on my AGP rig before I dismantled it unfortunately. I still have the hard drive with OS, but the CPU is in another board already and my spare CPU is only 3200+. Socket 745 3400+ is not that common and 3700+ is very rare.
I was fortunate to pick up a decent 9800 SE. I added a knockoff flower style card cooler to it, and it unlocked with Omega drivers. Though only 128 bit, when paired with a decent CPU it does pretty well. It can handle 400 MHz core and 330 Mhz for the memory
you got one of the good ones with decent ram on it, Zuldans has exceptionally shit Nanya on it and its performance matches the ram.
Would make a half decent test bench card as itll be pretty much useless for anything else.
Gigabyte GA-K8NE. Socket 754 boards with PCIe are rare.
Problem of PCIe graphics cards is they also require more power. My 500W PSU doesn't have PCIe connectors. I can use an adaper to get one 6 pin connector from molex but can't get more safely. I also need to use ATX 20 pin to 24 pin adapter. Newer cards often require 2x 6 pin. A more modern 600W power supply would fix that but they are often not modular, or if they are modular then they have very low amp limit on 5V rails.
A 9800GT is probably as high as one should go with PCIe in Windows XP and 7800GT for AGP version.
Pentium III 900E, ECS P6BXT-A+, 384MB RAM, GeForce FX 5600 128MB, Voodoo 2 12MB, Yamaha SM718 ISA
Athlon 64 3400+, Gigabyte GA-K8NE, 2GB RAM, GeForce 9800GT 512MB, Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
Phenom II X6 1100, Asus 990FX, 32GB RAM, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
Gigabyte GA-K8NE. Socket 754 boards with PCIe are rare.
Problem of PCIe graphics cards is they also require more power. My 500W PSU doesn't have PCIe connectors. I can use an adaper to get one 6 pin connector from molex but can't get more safely. I also need to use ATX 20 pin to 24 pin adapter. Newer cards often require 2x 6 pin. A more modern 600W power supply would fix that but they are often not modular, or if they are modular then they have very low amp limit on 5V rails.
A 9800GT is probably as high as one should go with PCIe in Windows XP and 7800GT for AGP version.
Hmm its a similar model to mine, the GIGABYTE GA-K8N51 R 1.0 but a full ATX model.
Seems I have another 754 board to hunt down !
-Got one for 30 USD with a Mystery CPU, board looks in good condition with no bloated caps so lets see how it is when it arrives !
Scratch that one.
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Not amazing by any means but I have a ASUS K8V SE Deluxe as my AGP backup, IIRC this board came with a Semperon 3400+ which is the top Semperon for 754, its no 3700+ but its not a slouch either 😁
Not amazing by any means but I have a ASUS K8V SE Deluxe as my AGP backup, IIRC this board came with a Semperon 3400+ which is the top Semperon for 754, its no 3700+ but its not a slouch either 😁
