douglar wrote on 2025-02-18, 17:18:

Does it actually run "Much" slower or does it just fail to run faster?
Anyone got benchmarks?

Always heavily depends on the title, resolution, and the cpu.
For example, when pairded with a Cyrix 6x86MX-2 at 250 mhz in an ALi chipset motherboard, when running games like Collin MCrae Rally 2, you are typically getting

-About 21 fps with TNT1 (AGP)
-About 21 fps with Voodoo2 (PCI)

Meanwhile,
-About 17 fps with TNT2 (AGP)
-About 17 fps with Voodoo3 (PCI)

And you would get even lower results with a geforce2 or Geforce FX card. Typically thats the case with most of the games, there can be exceptions - for example, opengl based games have typically less cpu overhead.
A good sound card give you a few extra FPS but doesn't solves the basic issue. As a main rule, you don't want a video card released in 1999 or afterwards. (except the savage 4, thats really lightweight on your cpu).

bloodem wrote on 2025-02-18, 08:49:

I assume that the P55T2P4 board does not provide 3.3V to its PCI slots, in which case the card needs to either work with 5V, or […]
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biessea wrote on 2025-02-18, 08:29:

So, I try to get I ask here a question: I have problem with mine Geforce Fx5200 that I have just bought to have a powerful video […]
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So, I try to get I ask here a question:
I have problem with mine Geforce Fx5200 that I have just bought to have a powerful videocard for my k6-iii+ system.
When I put the Fx card the system doesn't boot. When I change it with my previous card Matrox g450 PCI the system power on just fine.
Could be a problem of voltage?
The motherboard is the ASUS P55T2P4. Maybe a voltage problem?
The geforce FX5200 PCI inserted in a slot1 system works perfectly.

I assume that the P55T2P4 board does not provide 3.3V to its PCI slots, in which case the card needs to either work with 5V, or have an on-board 5V -> 3.3V voltage regulator (the FX5200 lacks this regulator and relies on the PCI slot to provide 3.3V).
The Matrox either works directly with 5V or has an on-board voltage regulator (my guess would be the latter).

On a personal note, I would not use a GeForce FX card with a K6-3+ system. I know it's a lot cheaper compared to alternatives (such as Voodoo 3 PCI, GeForce 2 MX PCI, etc), but there's a reason why it's cheaper. 😀

Pci 3.3v >
Adding 3.3v to pci adapter(Released)

Yeah, I’ve not had much luck with 5000 series geforce cards on socket 7

I continue to have good luck with radeon 7000,7500,9200,9250 on these systems.

In theory gf2/3 should be best. But still no luck with them on my end

Sphere478 wrote on 2025-02-19, 06:23:

Pci 3.3v > Adding 3.3v to pci adapter(Released) […]
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bloodem wrote on 2025-02-18, 08:49:

I assume that the P55T2P4 board does not provide 3.3V to its PCI slots, in which case the card needs to either work with 5V, or […]
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biessea wrote on 2025-02-18, 08:29:

So, I try to get I ask here a question: I have problem with mine Geforce Fx5200 that I have just bought to have a powerful video […]
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So, I try to get I ask here a question:
I have problem with mine Geforce Fx5200 that I have just bought to have a powerful videocard for my k6-iii+ system.
When I put the Fx card the system doesn't boot. When I change it with my previous card Matrox g450 PCI the system power on just fine.
Could be a problem of voltage?
The motherboard is the ASUS P55T2P4. Maybe a voltage problem?
The geforce FX5200 PCI inserted in a slot1 system works perfectly.

I assume that the P55T2P4 board does not provide 3.3V to its PCI slots, in which case the card needs to either work with 5V, or have an on-board 5V -> 3.3V voltage regulator (the FX5200 lacks this regulator and relies on the PCI slot to provide 3.3V).
The Matrox either works directly with 5V or has an on-board voltage regulator (my guess would be the latter).

On a personal note, I would not use a GeForce FX card with a K6-3+ system. I know it's a lot cheaper compared to alternatives (such as Voodoo 3 PCI, GeForce 2 MX PCI, etc), but there's a reason why it's cheaper. 😀

Pci 3.3v >
Adding 3.3v to pci adapter(Released)

Yeah, I’ve not had much luck with 5000 series geforce cards on socket 7

I continue to have good luck with radeon 7000,7500,9200,9250 on these systems.

In theory gf2/3 should be best. But still no luck with them on my end

My last P55T2P4 build was inspired by a thread on Overclockers.com where in late 2007 someone linked to a deal on a 64 megabyte PCI GF2MX that was free after rebate. I had no need for this card, but I couldn't resist getting one where the cost was basically the effort of ordering it and filling out the rebate forms. Once I had it, I decided to build my summer of 2001 system again, but a little better. I found the motherboard on Ebay for pretty cheap, and I also found someone selling 64 meg EDO SIMMs for a pretty low price so I had 512 megabytes of memory just for the heck of it. That system came together quite nicely, and everything worked. The only thing left to try would have been a K6-3+. I wish I still had it, but it burned up along with all of the rest.

bloodem wrote on 2025-02-18, 08:49:

On a personal note, I would not use a GeForce FX card with a K6-3+ system. I know it's a lot cheaper compared to alternatives (such as Voodoo 3 PCI, GeForce 2 MX PCI, etc), but there's a reason why it's cheaper. 😀

The Geforce FX 5200 is literally the best OpenGL card you can install in a 430TX system.

Re: what do you think is the worst primitive 3d card for d3d and opengl?

The ATi Radeon 7200 SDR/Geforce 2 MX PCI cards don't even compare for some of the games demonstrated in those videos - for something like Neverball for example, the framerate difference is almost double in favour of the FX 5200. If all you care about is HIGHEST QUAKE 3 BENCHMARKS!!!! then go with a Savage 4.

DEAT wrote on 2025-02-20, 06:43:

[The Geforce FX 5200 is literally the best OpenGL card you can install in a 430TX system.

Re: what do you think is the worst primitive 3d card for d3d and opengl?

The ATi Radeon 7200 SDR/Geforce 2 MX PCI cards don't even compare for some of the games demonstrated in those videos. If all you care about is HIGHEST QUAKE 3 BENCHMARKS!!!! then go with a Savage 4.

No, no it is not. The best card for a 430TX is a Voodoo 3 PCI, and it's not even close.
Quake 3 is not a game that can be played on a 430TX PC with reasonable framerates (I even tested a Tillamook @ 333 MHz), so there's no point in talking about games that will run like crap irrespective of the card you use.

For period correct games that can be played on a 430TX with good framerates, the Voodoo 3 is simply in another league.

bloodem wrote on 2025-02-20, 06:47:

No, no it is not. The best card for a 430TX is a Voodoo 3 PCI, and it's not even close.

Completely misrepresenting what I'm pointing out, while blatantly not even reading the post I linked to. Feel free to keep your head in the sand.

BTW, Voodoo cards are shit for OpenGL.

DEAT wrote on 2025-02-20, 06:51:

Completely misrepresenting what I'm pointing out, while blatantly not even reading the post I linked to. Feel free to keep your head in the sand.

Thank you, but I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.

I tend to forget about the Savage4 but that would be a interesting choice for Quake3 too.

Enjoying Quake3 on any socket 7 is always a stretch, I only mentioned it earlier because it’s a popular benchmark. If you have no plans to play Quake3, get an older card for sure.

I can’t think of a single i stance where I was able to get a 5x00 working correctly on a socket 7 system.

It might be great if I could get them to work right. Maybe I was using too new of a driver?

I don't mess with socket 7 all that much but I've had great success running a PCI FX5200 with 440FX pentium pro systems and an AGP FX5200 in my BX board with a pentium pro running at 248MHz. If the driver overhead was really that bad I would think the ppro would struggle

45.23 drivers

Roman555 wrote on 2021-03-06, 06:15:

Sphere478 wrote on 2021-03-03, 04:37:

here is a list of cards with reported compatibility problems bad enough to be considered not working: […]
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here is a list of cards with reported compatibility problems bad enough to be considered not working:

-rage 128 no display on boot (2 people report)
-cirris logic cl-gd5430 no display on boot
-trident tgui9680-1 no display on boot

It's really strange. All these cards are from that period and should work flawlessly with 430tx at least.

I don't have specific info on the Rage 128 PCI at the moment. But I have and have had 2 examples of GD5430 and 3 examples of TGUI9680 which I have had in and out of Socket 7 boards in the 98-2003 era and never had a problem. Specifically I know I used a 9680 on my ATX format TX board, Octek Rhino 20+ with 1mb and 2mb and Win95 and 98 and had no problems. Specifically I know I have run a card with each chipset on a P/I P55T2P4 rev 3.0 with no problems. Then a half dozen or more assorted Triton chipset socket 7 boards, without a problem on any. So I would have to assume the particular cards seen not to work are damaged or faulty.

I would not recommend the GD5430 though as it is very slow for a PCI card, but it works for non framerate critical stuff just fine. The TGUI9680 is "slow-ish" meaning it benchmarks slower than other 2D cards, but unless you are running SLI Voodoo2 it won't matter, because the CPU is probably the limiting factor in software rendered games at high res. So perfectly useable for most stuff. I have run it with a PVR2 on 430VX as the output card and it did as good as 300Mhz of K6 would let the PVR2 do.

edit: oh by the way, when drivers/software says it works with GD543x cards, it usually doesn't mean the 0, means the 4, 6 and any other "alpine" based one. The zero is ... well a zero.